Exactly. And your bolded statements about the HoF also apply to some people on the internet giving their opinion (i.e. this thread).

For comparison, let's look at the movie awards. Far as I can tell from googling, the Oscar for Best Actor doesn't have any concrete criteria (voters just give their feelings). If the GoT cast/crew spread the message that Lena is being an unprofessional bitch for refusing to be on the same set with Flynn, that perception absolutely would affect her votes for "Best Actor" among the social circles of people who vote for that. That may have been what Greet was referring to in post #1091.

Other posters are free to have a different perspective. It's ok to feel that someone's ability to work with the team does not count as part the criteria. We just have to be clear about what we are arguing about, that's all.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Aug 29 2017 09:46pm

If someone can make you believe in their character/their works then they are a good/successful actor. How deeply they immerse you is a scale, the feeling part you described. Then there are other things, like what I said previously about how dinklage described headey which are just above and beyond.

Like if you go watch that scene, the look she gives him...fuuuccckkkk no thank you.

This post was edited by Blah58 on Aug 29 2017 09:50pm

That is certainly one valid way to define the criteria.

But a different person may claim that an actor being good as his/her job depends not only on what they do when the camera is rolling but also how they act throughout the production process. Over the course of a year, Lena spends months with these people to produce her scenes that add up to maybe one hour of screentime. If you are content to judge an actor ONLY on that one hour, then that's fine and I'm not saying you are wrong. But there are gonna be people who base their evaluation on the whole process and that is equally fine.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Aug 29 2017 10:05pm

Good explanation about the current state of the show here
Start at 3:00 to the end

I don't disagree with any of the points he made, but I don't view it as valid criticism.

The only way to avoid having S7/8 wrap up into a simple ending would be to have a S9 that they were building towards. But that's not a possibility.

If S7/8 are predictable, it's because they had many seasons of good foreshadowing. To any viewer who doesn't get on the internet and research stuff, the R+L=J reveal was a hugely dramatic moment.

How many seasons of ominous ice zombies walking around doing nothing do we have to sit through before the show can have an action scene without being accused of gratuitous baysplosion pandering? I feel like we had more than enough build up to justify the action packed conclusion that S7/8 will feature.

I don't think he ever talked about having action scenes being a bad thing. He said the pacing ruins the dramatic sense of the show (see: 5:24)

Also he described how the nature of the show has changed in the way that actions no longer have consequences. It has begun following the TV tropes (like deus ex machinas) that really average level TV shows completely rely on.

in my eyes the last statement is false
by waging wars against each other and weakening their respective forces there will be consequences when the white walkers
saving jon snow beyond the wall gave immediate consequences by losing a dragon

the thing that is killing the show is the wrap up they are doing by pushing so hard to finish it quickly
they should at least do a season 8 of 12 episodes to properly finish the show or a season 9

Jon Snow dies: gets resurrected
Jon Snow losing war: last minute cavalry kill everything
Jon Snow gets trapped: last minute dragons show up
Jon Snow falls into ice next to an entire army alone: Uncle shows up

2 deus ex machina in 1 episode to save them
My least favorite TV trope of all time

Nobody for a second thinks they're all going to die there so the last minute save doesn't mean anything to the viewers.
They could have used all that air time on creating real dramatic tension and just have the dragons show up at a reasonable time.

This post was edited by FroggyG on Aug 30 2017 04:32am

Uh isn't that exactly what they did?

I mean i was on the edge of my seat the whole time.. and what would a reasonable time to show up be?

I wasn't on the edge of my seat at all. I was just sitting there waiting for the obvious last minute rescue.
The tense moments for me are like when Sansa says Little Finger's name instead of Arya's.

This post was edited by FroggyG on Aug 30 2017 04:53am