Quote (TwistedFury @ May 10 2017 12:38pm)

there is a difference between winning the fight and fighting back. if she even tried then Bryce would need to push her harder causing her to get injury from the edge of the tub.

they showed her getting fucked, don't tell me its fictional and they didn't care enough to detail it more with injury during the "rape".

or are you gonna tell me that it's disturbing to show "injury from pressed against the tub" but totally alright to show her slit herself and bleed like a cow that is ready to get butchered?

anyways, I don't want to say you're wrong or I'm right. If you want to continue discussing I'm happy to do all you want :wallbash:

Quote (Awoudex @ May 10 2017 08:54pm)

So, which feminist narrative is the true one? Women are victims, like in this propaganda series, or women are (more) equal to men, like in 'the avengers' where scrawny scarlet tosses adult men around that are way heavier than her and she doesn't even break a sweat. If they push both narratives, they'll create a bunch of women who believe the're all powerfull when they want to or be victim when they want to, this way, they can try and get it all and not be held accountable. It's almost religious in nature, where they shout misogyny instead of blasphemy, and 'men are pigs, scum' instead of heretic and heathen.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ May 10 2017 09:08pm)

This show and story is fictional.....Do you understand what that means?........

She was on the brink of mental breakdown, and her rape was just the cherry on the top.


You're pretty much asking for the rape scene to be more graphic, it didn't have to be and the point was made very clear, and was very well done.


If a female is in that situation, she has two choices, to fight, or to give in and have it forcibly happen to her. She didn't fight. She tried to leave and he pulled her back. With all that happened to her, she didn't have much of a fight left in her.

Quote (Awoudex @ May 10 2017 11:46am)

Totally politically driven bullshit narrative of how all men are (potential) rapists, all women are victim and that's the only view of things. Let me give you a red pill here, this is the intersectional feminist's narrative i've seen alot, based on feelings and not facts. Fact is, there is a suicide problem in the USA and it's not rape victims, which is a group that has been in decline for decades numerically, trendwise, and more so relatively since the USA has a growing population... The people who commit disproportionally suicide are white young men and fathers that were forcefully estranged from their own children. The exact groups that are targetted the most by these ideologues. Don't believe my words for it, but don't believe theirs either. When you get this kind of stuff presented to you, question it. Find multiple sources which could have had various biases and then try to arrive at a conclusion. Don't let others, like the people behind this series, rob you from making your own damn conclusions based upon the facts you can find for yourself.
This shit is dangerous and it ends up with more suffering than the supposed good intentions behind them try to prevent, because it's not based on reality, but based on a false narrative. Feeling sorry for Netflix here that they were drawn into this push of a narrative. Going against it these days makes you part of being a hate group etc... It's akin to how blasphemy laws worked, think wrongly and we'll have your ass.

Quote (zarkadon @ May 10 2017 04:52pm)

The show IS pretty much about suicide. Selena Gomez, funded and produced the show because she became concerned about suicide after reading the original book. She, along with many cast and productions members like the actors who portray the poet guy and the girl who got raped while passed out (can't remember their names), even got a tattoo that is supposed to symbolize a fight against suicide. There's a lot of info about this on the internet, they produced the show because they suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts in the past.

Like I said back in the day, this show is very dangerous for anyone who is indeed depressed. It glamourizes suicide, and it teaches depressed people that nobody is going to help them and that ending their lives is reasonable/acceptable and that their loved ones will eventually move on. Psychologists have pretty much unanimously expressed their concern over this series, saying it's harmful and potentially dangerous. In fact it has already increased suicidal tendencies among teenagers and young adults.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/educators-and-school-psychologists-raise-alarms-about-13-reasons-why/2017/05/01/bb534ec6-2c2b-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html?nid&utm_term=.c719d3ce4e1e

Quote (zarkadon @ May 10 2017 06:04pm)

Yeah, so the shows producers are wrong about what their show is about. It doesn't mater if they say it's about suicide, they are wrong about their own show...

They wanted to make a show that helped depressed people, and it's closer to backfiring than being a success. Maybe the term glamourizes is too much, but it's carried out by a character that is idealized and constructed to make the viewer feel identified with. In the end Hannah's parents move on, the buy who she likes falls in love with her, and her spirit lives on through the tape as some form of heroine/martyr.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ 10 May 2017 20:13)

I am not saying the producers are wrong. You're not looking at the big picture.

I cannot explain it in any more basic terms.

The show is about bullying.

Suicide is the result.


Plain and simple.


The producers will talk about suicide because that's the result ALONG with bullying because that is the cause.

The show hasn't back fired at all, actually, it has opened up more avenues of conversation revolving around the topic of bullying and suicidal signs. I cannot tell you enough how many parents I have witnessed commenting that they watched this show with their teenager and they had an open conversation about it.