This show sucks I should stop watching it

Yeah, it's going in circles.

It is a show about time travel, you shouldn't expect to much from it. The second you go back in time you completely fuck over every previous episode that should have had indications in them that the characters met before. (Savage had no idea who they were in the missile episode, then later they went back even further and meet him again, so in the missile episode he should have known them).

You really need every single episode of every single season pre-planned and pre-written and then checked and rechecked if you want to do a show like this. It is an unrealistic standard, but trying to do it the way you do normal tv shows leaves us with.... This.

Dr who does it fairly wall, not really having a consistent series long main villain. And the few that they do have are always going forward from the last interaction/they talk like they know each other.

Fair enough, it certainly has its share of plot holes. Like you said...doesn't seem like it was thought out ahead of time, they just threw it together in hopes people would just watch anyways.

Love me some Dr Who.

This post was edited by CenturyLink on May 11 2016 08:53pm

except we're watching from their point of time, otherwise we'd be watching the ending of the show at the start, time travel can be portrayed in many different ways, this is ofc the lazier way, but still makes sense if you view it how it is made.

Yes, it is from the heroes pov, however what I mentioned is still valid.

We see them meet savage in 1970-80 whatever, he has never seen them before

We see them meet savage in 1950 whatever an episode or two later. Meaning savage in 1970-80 or whatever should have known them, but from the point of view of the audience that is the first time they are meeting. It just screams plot holes when you do it like they are doing it. They have fucked up a lot more than just that, that is just one example.

Honestly I think they fucked up changing savages origin story and character motivation from what it was in the comics to what it is in the show. They should have kept his comic book character and worked around that. They keep throwing all this love bullshit in that screws with everyone's predetermined character motivation/personality.

This post was edited by Blah58 on May 11 2016 10:27pm

my point was we're seeing it through the hero's timeline, their timeline is them traveling through time, meaning they hadn't met savage in 1950 yet so he wouldn't know them in 1970 yet, when they go and meet him in 1950, it changes the past of them meeting him, meaning we don't see the changed version, we're watching the future / past that they create, not a predetermined path

e; yes they could have portrayed it the other way, having things happen in pre-order, but they decided to go a different route, whilst a lazier route, still a very valid one, it's all about perspective.

and i've not read about savage or known about him untill now, will look into his official story / motives more, hopefully they haven't taken it too far out, it'd be disappointing to know there was more potential to his character

This post was edited by WiseBlood on May 11 2016 10:39pm

Which would make sense if every time they traveled in time they made a new timeline/universe. However the show has made it clear that isn't how it works, that time travel changes their specific universe, meaning my issues with it are valid. It doesn't matter if we haven't seen it happen yet, or if it hasn't happened to our characters yet because it had happened to savage. As dr who likes to say, savage took the long way. He is living every moment even if we don't or haven't seen it yet, so every encounter he has had in his past his future should know about.

Like I said it makes writing for the show A LOT more work, which is why they are doing it the way they are doing it, but the way they are doing it is sacrificing quality.

E: in the comics he is a caveman that is given his powers by sleeping next to a meteor for warmth in a cold night, it gives him immortality and super intelligence. He spends the next 20k years or whatever watching humanity grow until he can no longer stand by and decided he needs to rule the world to try and make it a paradise.

In the show he is a cunty, not too intelligent (needs scientists for everything) child that is still holding a grudge that a girl never liked him 3000-4000 years ago, and that seems to be his entire motivation. Oh she doesn't love me..? I'll show her, I'll take over the world then she will have to love me! It feels so lame to me.

This post was edited by Blah58 on May 11 2016 10:48pm

Why the fuck are you guys arguing over the simplistic points of view?

Shit... since episode 1 showing the "time council member" you could derive that one of them is involved with Vandal Savage... shit... it took you all of how many episodes to see this happen?... Now comes the interesting parts with 2 members still missing. Remember, they are in a place where time doesn't play any part of the future episodes. Also... the main time council member has been revealed, time can be restored in the void.

On another point of view... the writers could have ended the entire show with simple time manipulation where the group gathered together and killed Vandal Savage as a baby... oh dear me... no one thought of that, even when they had a hunter try and kill off the heroes as children... FFS, the writers need to get a braincell.

I stand corrected.

This post was edited by CenturyLink on May 12 2016 06:24pm