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Oct 6 2015 11:23am
Quote (Mattd90 @ Oct 4 2015 09:40pm)
So... apparently physics are different in this universe, because I do no recall a single bullet going through the fence and hitting the zombies. That or all the soldiers in this show shoot like Helen Keller.


Went back and watched the scenes, quite a few bullets went through during the initial scenes.

The second scenes is where it falls apart with them bouncing off the fences.

This post was edited by Arsenic_Touch on Oct 6 2015 11:30am
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Oct 6 2015 02:32pm
if you think about it, wat the main group did was insanely selfish

they unleashed zombie horde on military guys to save 2 of their own

sure the military seems to be the "bad guys", but inside that base was hundreds of civilians and wounded ppl as well

not to mention the indirect dmg to their neighbors and others with a loss of a command post, doctors, nurses, etc.
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Oct 6 2015 04:53pm
Quote (wafflehunter @ Oct 6 2015 03:32pm)
if you think about it, wat the main group did was insanely selfish

they unleashed zombie horde on military guys to save 2 of their own

sure the military seems to be the "bad guys", but inside that base was hundreds of civilians and wounded ppl as well

not to mention the indirect dmg to their neighbors and others with a loss of a command post, doctors, nurses, etc.


the command post etc was leaving on its own, the main group didn't cause that. Salazar was told that the civilians + wounded people inside the base were going to be 'humanely terminated'.

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Oct 6 2015 04:55pm
Quote (wafflehunter @ Oct 6 2015 08:32pm)
if you think about it, wat the main group did was insanely selfish

they unleashed zombie horde on military guys to save 2 of their own

sure the military seems to be the "bad guys", but inside that base was hundreds of civilians and wounded ppl as well

not to mention the indirect dmg to their neighbors and others with a loss of a command post, doctors, nurses, etc.


Being selfish would likely be very realistic in this kind of setting. If you ever find yourself in an apocalyptic type event i couldnt imagine finding many friendly people worth helping.
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Oct 6 2015 05:39pm
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Actually, it was an arena they set up as an emergency center for the sick and displaced. People started turning, they panicked and ran, locking it up. They don't have the resources to handle it, so it makes sense. It was locked and ignored for as long as possible. This is a small outpost of national guard soldiers, who if you remember were complaining about no sleep, which means they're pretty much running every ragged due to lack of personnel and support.



Brilliant idea to toss grenades next to your fence, that you don't want to compromise. Grenades that aren't actually that useful for killing zombies.



They don't have to sit them on top of the fence.. The guys in the tower could hurdle every grenade they had far enough so that it would blast holes in the zombie horde.

And really? Grenades aren't efficient? They'd do more than those 20 soldiers lined up shooting the fence lol. I saw 3 zombies die
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Oct 6 2015 05:56pm
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They don't have to sit them on top of the fence.. The guys in the tower could hurdle every grenade they had far enough so that it would blast holes in the zombie horde.

And really? Grenades aren't efficient? They'd do more than those 20 soldiers lined up shooting the fence lol. I saw 3 zombies die


I agree with you in concept that the supposedly secure camp being guarded by fully equipped military did seem to fall over to a horde of zombies rather easily.

However, if I could give the show the benefit of the doubt on one thing, it would be the fact the horde jumped them right in the middle of an airlift evacuation process. For all we know, a lot of their weapons might have gone out with the first round of choppers and what they were left with was just a skeleton crew.
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Oct 6 2015 06:24pm
Quote (Lil_Gueto @ Oct 6 2015 07:39pm)
They don't have to sit them on top of the fence.. The guys in the tower could hurdle every grenade they had far enough so that it would blast holes in the zombie horde.

And really? Grenades aren't efficient? They'd do more than those 20 soldiers lined up shooting the fence lol. I saw 3 zombies die


Except grenades wouldn't blast holes in a horde. The M67 frag has an average wound/kill radius of 5 meters. Against people, these are highly efficient because being riddled with fragmentation will drop a person. A zombie horde is a completely different story. Unless you happen to blow off the head, or hit the brain with enough shards, it's not going to do anything. Especially against a wall of bodies. You may get a few here and there, it will look pretty but ultimately be wasted. Then you run the risk of damaging everything around it. Also, did you see any grenades on the national guardsman? did you see them use any grenades at all in the entire show?

As for the fence, it was a poor plot device, but it served a purpose. Would've been better served to have zombies come in through the opened part of the fence instead of the soldiers rounds bouncing off a chain link fence, but that's not what's being discussed here.

Read world war z and any accompanying books on weapons of the zombie apocalypse and you'll understand.


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I agree with you in concept that the supposedly secure camp being guarded by fully equipped military did seem to fall over to a horde of zombies rather easily.

However, if I could give the show the benefit of the doubt on one thing, it would be the fact the horde jumped them right in the middle of an airlift evacuation process. For all we know, a lot of their weapons might have gone out with the first round of choppers and what they were left with was just a skeleton crew.


It wasn't a fully equipped military, it was a national guard unit. It was clear they didn't have a lot of resources or manpower when the soldiers were talking about being awake for over 24 hours.

Also, people are falling prey to the genre savvy trope again and again. Because you know how to kill a zombie, because you know the genre, clearly every one else should be able to function based on a certain set of logic, when in reality soldiers are trained for shooting center mass, national guard see less training than active military, in fact national guard can go their entire lives without seeing any kind of combat, so these aren't battle hardened veterans of war.
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Oct 6 2015 06:39pm
well i all ways thought if 2000 zombies are all trying to get out of the arena that some would fall over from them all pushing in to each other

soon they would get trampled making it all blocked off

same would go with them shooting them at the fence
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Oct 11 2015 06:46pm
Season premiere about to start. gonna have to flip back and forth with football :/
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Oct 11 2015 08:53pm
This episode, Everything happened correctly.

Shit that had to happen did.

But that ending was crazy.

I'm glad they did flashbacks instead of going into it and wasting episodes.

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