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Dec 29 2021 11:09am
Smith was the equation balance for Neo, which is why when he was unplugged, Smith essentially woke up.
Specifically the analyst brought him back to keep an eye on Neo.

Goes back to the previous movies.

" I don't fully understand how it happened, perhaps some part of you imprinted on to me, something overwritten or copied, it is at this point irrelevant." and the final fight between the two.

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Smith was the equation balance for Neo, which is why when he was unplugged, Smith essentially woke up.
Specifically the analyst brought him back to keep an eye on Neo.

Goes back to the previous movies.

" I don't fully understand how it happened, perhaps some part of you imprinted on to me, something overwritten or copied, it is at this point irrelevant." and the final fight between the two.


I mean analyst himself was keeping an eye on neo

I understand the equation balance at the end, but as far as I understood it, smith was Novel to the matrix during the previous trilogy. In other words, the multiple prior versions of the matrix that existed all had the One, but not necessarily a smith. The one is a result of the infinite amount of choices a human can make. The one is a balance to THAT equation. In our matrix trilogy the interaction between neo and smith changed smith in a way not seen in prior matrix versions - is how I interpreted this. Then by the end of revolutions smith virus became too strong and was canceled out by Neo.

TLDR is the one can exist without smith virus existing

And if that’s assumption is correct , then why bring him back, even to just watch him.

Run matrix anti ware on this psychopath smith virus

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I mean analyst himself was keeping an eye on neo

I understand the equation balance at the end, but as far as I understood it, smith was Novel to the matrix during the previous trilogy. In other words, the multiple prior versions of the matrix that existed all had the One, but not necessarily a smith. The one is a result of the infinite amount of choices a human can make. The one is a balance to THAT equation. In our matrix trilogy the interaction between neo and smith changed smith in a way not seen in prior matrix versions - is how I interpreted this. Then by the end of revolutions smith virus became too strong and was canceled out by Neo.

TLDR is the one can exist without smith virus existing

And if that’s assumption is correct , then why bring him back, even to just watch him.

Run matrix anti ware on this psychopath smith virus


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Quote (Bazi @ Dec 29 2021 09:32am)
I mean analyst himself was keeping an eye on neo

I understand the equation balance at the end, but as far as I understood it, smith was Novel to the matrix during the previous trilogy. In other words, the multiple prior versions of the matrix that existed all had the One, but not necessarily a smith. The one is a result of the infinite amount of choices a human can make. The one is a balance to THAT equation. In our matrix trilogy the interaction between neo and smith changed smith in a way not seen in prior matrix versions - is how I interpreted this. Then by the end of revolutions smith virus became too strong and was canceled out by Neo.

TLDR is the one can exist without smith virus existing

And if that’s assumption is correct , then why bring him back, even to just watch him.

Run matrix anti ware on this psychopath smith virus


He was the single largest threat to the entirety of the system. there is no logical reason to bring that back, even as some nonsensical "balance", which doesn't come close to making sense in the first place.

If they were going to toss agents out the window for the "swarm" anyway, then why the hell would they bother bringing him back in?

Again, nostalgia, there is no logical answer, this film was designed, marketed, and created as a marketing vehicle, nothing more.

e: Also, was anyone as irritated with them equating "Bullet Time" to a real-world power as I was? That was the dumbest shit I've seen in a movie in I don't even know how long. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about, he's just fucking moving super fast..... It's not like some triggered super power

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He was the single largest threat to the entirety of the system. there is no logical reason to bring that back, even as some nonsensical "balance", which doesn't come close to making sense in the first place.

If they were going to toss agents out the window for the "swarm" anyway, then why the hell would they bother bringing him back in?

Again, nostalgia, there is no logical answer, this film was designed, marketed, and created as a marketing vehicle, nothing more.

e: Also, was anyone as irritated with them equating "Bullet Time" to a real-world power as I was? That was the dumbest shit I've seen in a movie in I don't even know how long. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about, he's just fucking moving super fast..... It's not like some triggered super power


You seem Triggered. I can't even get to Amon on Yakuza Zero, I'm stuck on the dumb dancing substory with both dudes, but both my guys are so OP if I ever did complete the dancing quest, I'd one hit Amon. Easily the worst substory in all 8 Yakuza's.


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He was the single largest threat to the entirety of the system. there is no logical reason to bring that back, even as some nonsensical "balance", which doesn't come close to making sense in the first place.

If they were going to toss agents out the window for the "swarm" anyway, then why the hell would they bother bringing him back in?

Again, nostalgia, there is no logical answer, this film was designed, marketed, and created as a marketing vehicle, nothing more.

e: Also, was anyone as irritated with them equating "Bullet Time" to a real-world power as I was? That was the dumbest shit I've seen in a movie in I don't even know how long. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about, he's just fucking moving super fast..... It's not like some triggered super power


Bullet time was so dumb, dude so much of the self awareness was over the top and annoying

i IRL winced every time smith said “Tom” or “Thomas”

Also how the fuck was smith able to move in bullet time other than being op and too op to exist in this universe to begin with

Fucking hate these people , just let things be. Keanu why u do this



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He was the single largest threat to the entirety of the system. there is no logical reason to bring that back, even as some nonsensical "balance", which doesn't come close to making sense in the first place.

If they were going to toss agents out the window for the "swarm" anyway, then why the hell would they bother bringing him back in?

Again, nostalgia, there is no logical answer, this film was designed, marketed, and created as a marketing vehicle, nothing more.

e: Also, was anyone as irritated with them equating "Bullet Time" to a real-world power as I was? That was the dumbest shit I've seen in a movie in I don't even know how long. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about, he's just fucking moving super fast..... It's not like some triggered super power


The bullet time makes sense because the original trilogy is a video game in the new movie, and like with our matrix games it was probably a power you can control. With something like a "bullet time meter".
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The bullet time makes sense because the original trilogy is a video game in the new movie, and like with our matrix games it was probably a power you can control. With something like a "bullet time meter".


Come on..... tell me you're just playing Devil's Advocate here and not being serious. The basis for this movie was the three movies that predated it, and they made damn sure we knew that by shoving it down our throats. There is no basis of bullet time in any of the Matrix films, them making a game within the Matrix that adds a value to it, wouldn't suddenly allow machines to move faster than the guy who can bend and break the entirety of the system as he pleases. Otherwise his abilities would have been meaningless from the word go, it makes no sense.

e: That wasn't even the most ludicrous/terrible thing in the movie, but it's up there. I'm still in awe that the critic/user reviews are anywhere as close to what they are. The acting was bad, the story was bad, the fighting was god awful, and even the CGI looked bad a lot of the time. What makes it even more annoying, is that they showed some potential in the first half of the film, it was a semi-interesting concept that could have gone plenty of ways, but they just dove off a cliff.

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Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ 29 Dec 2021 15:19)
Come on..... tell me you're just playing Devil's Advocate here and not being serious. The basis for this movie was the three movies that predated it, and they made damn sure we knew that by shoving it down our throats. There is no basis of bullet time in any of the Matrix films, them making a game within the Matrix that adds a value to it, wouldn't suddenly allow machines to move faster than the guy who can bend and break the entirety of the system as he pleases. Otherwise his abilities would have been meaningless from the word go, it makes no sense.

e: That wasn't even the most ludicrous/terrible thing in the movie, but it's up there. I'm still in awe that the critic/user reviews are anywhere as close to what they are. The acting was bad, the story was bad, the fighting was god awful, and even the CGI looked bad a lot of the time. What makes it even more annoying, is that they showed some potential in the first half of the film, it was a semi-interesting concept that could have gone plenty of ways, but they just dove off a cliff.


I'm not commenting on if it was good to have in the movie. In the movie the scene only worked because Neo lost his ability to break the system. I honestly thought they were going to use it so they could show him breaking out of it, aka regaining his abilities so he could save Trinity... But disappointing because that never happened. Seemed like a pretty obvious scene to have but whatever.

My comment was more for the people complaining that they used the words "bullet time" in the movie because "boo hoo bullet time was the name of the filming technique". Well bullet time is what they called it in the games, and matrix games now exist in the movie universe so calling it that makes sense in terms of the movies.

This post was edited by Blah58 on Dec 29 2021 07:49pm
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Dec 30 2021 08:57pm
Unexpectedly bad.

Neo fighting style got worse.
His looks is not cool like before
Fightings moves are bad
Ilogical
Too much talking

Ps: how did the analyst become so weak in the end?

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