It was okay. 6.5/7-10

Not nearly as good as the Nolan trilogy, but it's a promising start.

Pros

He does a better overall Batman than Bale (I still don't understand the Affleck love, dude was not good)
Back to the roots of Batman with him being a detective
Dark and beautiful atmosphere
Fantastic performances almost all around (Mask off Riddler being the exception)


Cons

He does a much worse Wayne (Bale was the best here, just replaying his American Psycho character in public lol).
Bloated and boring. could have easily shaved 45 minutes off this film and it would have drastically improved my review.
Somewhat in line with the previous remark, but holy fucking LOTR like ending. How many endings does a single move need, four, five, a fucking dozen? STOP having scene after scene after scene that you could have and should have ended the film on, especially when the run-time was so long and the second half so boring.
Bad guy goes from epic to cringe in a split second

There's a lot more we could go into, but overall the movie showed a lot of promise. I like them returning to Batman's roots, I like the darker/grittier version of the hero, and I thought Pattinson (along with almost everyone else) did a phenomenal job as the newest Batman. Hopefully the next go around they give us something that feels like a finished and coherent story, rather than a sloppy as fuck first or second draft that ends up rambling halfway through the project to fill time.






What does that even mean? Are you trying to rank the movie based on some subjective opinion of what you think others enjoyed about it, rather than what you saw?

Joker in the Dark Knight is the greatest batman villain we've ever seen, so using him as a baseline for "if it's not this good, it's not good", is almost as asinine as the dual ratings.... Weird way of looking at things mate.

Also, I know a lot of people don't get this, but the half dark thing is the best they can get on a PG-13 rating, and while I wholeheartedly agree that I'd like to see more fully dark comic movies like Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Logan, etc... a PG-13 movie is guaranteed to make boatloads of money, while a rated R film is not. The industry cares about making money and if they can make a film work as PG-13 and put more butts in those seats, then they're ALWAYS going to do it.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Mar 21 2022 03:36pm

The Catwoman actor was fucking horrible and her entire subplot was garbage. Could've cut all of it completely tbh. I think the rest was good though. Obviously his Bruce was bad but it's a year 1/2 movie so I'll accept the "finding his footing" argument. Will be decided by the second movie if one happens.

I wasn't a huge fan of Andy Serkis as Alfred or the dude who played Gordan, he definitely didn't fit the role.

The cinematography was absolutely amazing. Loved the entire style. I think the movie was better than Batman begins but not as good as the dark knight.

Affleck is still easily the best on screen Batman/Bruce. I'm still sad he never got the script he deserved.

Edit: recent successes of R rated movies has kind of destroyed the "R rated movies don't make money" argument. I think if the director really wanted to make an R rated film he would have and could've made it happen

This post was edited by Blah58 on Mar 22 2022 04:44pm

This is a rare movie that I don’t think would have benefitted all that much from being R rated. The action would largely remain unchanged since Batman isn’t killing people (and it was good anyway). Probably would have just been more graphic riddler murder scenes

And yet there’s been no noticeable difference within the industry, so who exactly has been convinced?

Most movies wouldn't benefit from an R rating. That is just how it is. We got Gunn's Suicide Squad at an R rating. Likely because of exactly what I said. Recent successful movies allowed him to argue he wanted to make it rated R and actually succeeded.

What about having an R rating would've made this movie better?

Virtually nothing. Having it R or not doesn't matter. If you think it would it's just an excuse

I never said it should have been? If you're going to make a counterpoint, it should be based on something I said.

thought it would have benefited from an R rating, I only stated that I would like to see more R rated comic films and explained in short why we don't. My explanation was sound, and a handful of successes hasn't changed the overall nature of Hollywood. If it had, we'd see more than one R rated comic film per 20 PG-13 ones.

As far as The Batman goes, I already outlined where I felt the film lacked and how it could have improved, none of which had anything to do with the rating. My biggest gripe is still the atrocious pacing, especially with the ending sequences. Putting gore, nudity, or profanity might have made the drag slightly less painful, but that's nowhere close to the problem with this film.

E: The standard Batman story is perfectly fine as PG13, both Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan proved beyond the shadow of a doubt how powerful of a film could be made with a PG-13 rating. There are plenty of side stories, B-List heroes, what-if comics, etc... that would greatly benefit from R ratings though, and I'd like to see more of a push for this. We've seen some positive gains in recent years and it's no longer a death sentence, but the industry is wary at best, which again is why they're so few and far between.

EE: Honestly, it seems like TV is making the most gains in this regard. It's entirely possible that my hope of more fucked up comic content on the big screen is nothing but a pipe dream, but it appears I'll continue to get enough content from Amazon, HBO, Netflix and the others to keep me sated. I'm still waiting for someone to take on Fables, that would be an absolute clusterfuck of majesty



Only one guy has said that, and it's the same guy who gave his rating and then a rating based on what he thinks other people would have rated it . Not exactly someone I'd take seriously

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Mar 23 2022 06:06pm

I will say that did make me laugh irl

Bro

I always give a mainstream rating

Th3n a biased rating cuz I love dc

N I understand super hero movies

I gave avengers infinity war a 9/10

But for the masses, 8-8.5/10


With the batman , I actually think mainstream audience might dig it

But 7/10 for me, sad..... cuz batman is my fav hero


I went to see se7en cuz peopl3 keep saying se7en is a rated R version of the batman


N dc and Deadpool and wolverine
And blade 1

All of the super hero companies made huge financially successful rated R series



Harley Quinn movie felt lik3 a pg 13 version of dead pool n it sucked


Dc needs rated R more then marvel does, dc should b3 alot dark3r

This post was edited by tonytouchtt on Mar 24 2022 01:48am

How on Earth is Infinity War 9/10 what the fuck. It's such a stupid movie. Thinking about it for more than 2 seconds and you realize that the villians motivation is the most idiotic thing ever. It's such garbage writing. They had like 10 years and that is what they came up with. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

This post was edited by Blah58 on Mar 24 2022 04:10am