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Apr 12 2019 02:52pm
I don’t watch trailers anymore buuuut yeah, I’m hyped to see it
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Apr 12 2019 03:04pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ 12 Apr 2019 21:49)
Not really....

The majority of SW viewership falls into the 18-44 range, which is very similar to Marvel movies.


The thing is that there are many people who are now 60-ish that watched the original trilogy during their youth (and during their kids infancy), and became fans. These people didn't transition into marvel movies. My parents went to watch TFA with a group of 10-12 friends, born in the 50s, all of them huge SW fans. And yet none of them watch super hero movies of any kind. Of course, they were absolutely disgusted with the product they received.

And as for myself, I really enjoy the original SW movies and the universe as a whole (I've read several books, which were canon before Disney), but I barely watch Marvel movies (well, the new ones).... while I enjoyed some, the vast majority of the ones I watched were just boring and mediocre imo, so I just gave up on them long ago, and only watched like 3 in this decade. And literally none of them appealed to me enough to delve into the universe and become a fan, like SW did. And I see this trend in many other of my friends, siblings and people my age and up (30+)... lots of SW fans that don't watch marvel movies (at least any more... pretty much all of us gave the genre a chance 1-2 decades ago).
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Apr 12 2019 03:05pm
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I don’t watch trailers anymore buuuut yeah, I’m hyped to see it


Arent you cool
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Apr 12 2019 03:13pm
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The thing is that there are many people who are now 60-ish that watched the original trilogy during their youth (and during their kids infancy), and became fans. These people didn't transition into marvel movies. My parents went to watch TFA with a group of 10-12 friends, born in the 50s, all of them huge SW fans. And yet none of them watch super hero movies of any kind. Of course, they were absolutely disgusted with the product they received.

And as for myself, I really enjoy the original SW movies and the universe as a whole (I've read several books, which were canon before Disney), but I barely watch Marvel movies (well, the new ones).... while I enjoyed some, the vast majority of the ones I watched were just boring and mediocre imo, so I just gave up on them long ago, and only watched like 3 in this decade. And literally none of them appealed to me enough to delve into the universe and become a fan, like SW did. And I see this trend in many other of my friends, siblings and people my age and up (30+)... lots of SW fans that don't watch marvel movies (at least any more... pretty much all of us gave the genre a chance 1-2 decades ago).


Right.... but that's not how demographics work. Your personal experience with it doesn't mean that's the norm and it's clearly not as I already posted the demographics. You can say I'm wrong because of what you've seen, but I made a statement based off factual data and not my personal feelings.

Me saying it's a similar formula is subjective, but I personally believe it's the exact same shit they've done for a decade now. Generic writing, mediocre performances, lots of CGI and action, cringey humor/one-liners throughout and just a little bit of adversity, but never enough to make people actually worry or think. The movies feel the exact fucking same to me. The one key difference is that I've actually been wrong about something in a SW movie so far, I didn't know the way they were going with Snoke, didn't expect that to happen and every Marvel movie is painfully fucking predictable. Maybe it would have been a lot more successful had they not deviated there.
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Apr 12 2019 03:23pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Apr 12 2019 02:42pm)
Right? Sooooo bad.



I honestly don't get the hate for the SW movies. Ya, I don't think any of them have been great or special, but it's the exact same formulaic shit Disney does with Marvel and for whatever reason, it doesn't work with SW, even though it's the same demographic. It's fucking weird to me. They're pretty much on par with the best shit Marvel has done in the past 8 years and somehow they're universally hated, shit makes noooooo sense.


Marvel was new. Star Wars is nostalgic.

Everything Star Wars releases has to live up to an ideal and follow set rules.

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Apr 12 2019 03:27pm
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Marvel was new. Star Wars is nostalgic.

Everything Star Wars releases has to live up to an ideal and follow set rules.


I guess that's true, but I just assumed people's expectations would be a little more reasonable after the shit show that was the prequels. Not to mention the absolute fucking mess that Return of the Jedi was. I loved Star Wars as a kid and A New Hope and Empire are still great movies, but the rest are meh at best. Is what it is, I guess I'm more-so irritated that all of the endless bitching ruined my chances of seeing an actual good SW movie again. Had they kept doing the spin-offs, one of them might have actually been good.
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Apr 12 2019 03:29pm
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Apr 12 2019 03:33pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Apr 12 2019 02:49pm)
Not really....

The majority of SW viewership falls into the 18-44 range, which is very similar to Marvel movies.



No way...

Iron Man2/3
Captain America
Thor 1/2
Hulk movies (pick one)
Age of Ultron
Civil War
Ant-Man and the Wasp

All were wayyyy worse. Marvel churns out mediocre shit nonstop and it's literally only because it's SW, that people judge it much more critically than they do for Marvel. That's why Disney planned to expand SW the exact same way as it has Marvel and then when it released exactly what we've come to expect from Disney, people lost their shit... It's just insanity.


Even when the Marvel movies fail, they are light hearted and not taken in a serious manner to begin with. They mainliy just aim to be fun and entertaining.
When a light hearted movie fails it is not received as poorly/negatively as a more serious one that falls flat.

That said, I still think a few of the movies you listed are still better than TLJ.
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Apr 12 2019 03:37pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Apr 12 2019 05:23pm)
Marvel was new. Star Wars is nostalgic.

Everything Star Wars releases has to live up to an ideal and follow set rules.


you mean like the rule that if your ship gets hit and you are sucked out into space, then you die?

Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Apr 12 2019 04:49pm)
Iron Man2/3
Captain America
Thor 1/2
Hulk movies (pick one)
Age of Ultron
Civil War
Ant-Man and the Wasp

All were wayyyy worse.


Haven't watched any of those and don't have any interest in doing so. Star Wars is different. I felt obligated to force myself through TLJ after it came to Netflix simply because it is Star Wars.

Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Apr 12 2019 05:27pm)
I guess that's true, but I just assumed people's expectations would be a little more reasonable after the shit show that was the prequels.


The Force Awakens reawakened my expectations. It was decent. It was basically a remake of New Hope. The first time someone made a sequel to New Hope, it was good. And honestly I liked Rogue One a lot as well. I had plenty of reasons to be hopeful for TLJ back when I knew nothing about it.

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you mean like the rule that if your ship gets hit and you are sucked out into space, then you die?


Yes. And because it did not follow that rule, it got hated.

That's what I mean when I say set rules.

People have expectations/beliefs of what is allowed in Star Wars.

This post was edited by FroggyG on Apr 12 2019 03:40pm
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