I don't count NBK as one of his films. Ya, he wrote it, but he fucking hated it and that movie is the reason he's never let anyone else direct his work. Stone changed the entire movie, and he ruined something that could have been amazing.

I'm with you 100% in regards to the beginning of Dusk, but as soon as vampires show up the movie goes straight to hell. Had Tarantino actually done the story, it might not have been ass for 50% of the film, which is why I just don't consider it a Tarantino movie. You can just tell a movie that's his, vs a movie that's got a tons of other influence around him. Tarantino being Tarantino is what makes his shit sooo fucking good, and I know people love Rodriquez, but his work is boring as hell to me.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Jul 21 2018 01:00pm

Yeah NBK is absolutely garbage. I could never force myself to watch that movie again. It’s soooooo bad

Pre-machete Rodriguez has done some awesome movies tho

Sin City
Planet Terror
Once Upon A Time In Mexico
The Faculty
Desperado

Those are some pretty dope films.

Sin City and Once Upon a Time are the only two on that list I'd consider above average movies. I personally like the rest, but I like a lot of bad action/horror movies, and those all fit that bill imo. I know he and Tarantino are friends and everything and that Tarantino for whatever reason likes him and his work, but the two directors couldn't be further apart in terms of quality when it comes to their films. Sin City is easily his best movie for me, but it's so stylized and just fundamentally different than everything he does, that I have to give the bulk of the credit there to Frank Miller who wrote and co-directed the film.

Anywayssssssssss. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as I had hoped. I personally think the repetitive soundtrack adds to the film and what they were going for, and I love the overly 90s vibe that's constantly thrown in your face from start to end. I wonder if you would have liked it more with the alternate ending where Clarence dies. That was the one big change that Tony Scott made to the film. He begged Tarantino to let him change it because he thought Clarence needed to live for the movie to be perfect. They filmed two endings, one with Tarantino's vision and one with Scott's and they both agreed Scott's was better.

E: I'm happy we agree on NBK. I just refuse to count that as a Tarantino movie. Stone just completely took over and removed everything that makes a Tarantino movie a Tarantino movie, and it's obvious why he loathes that film and why he doesn't let people direct shit he cares about anymore lol.

Would be cool if eventually Tarantino said fuck it and revisited NBK and went with his original vision of what it should have been. If was an interesting enough concept and with the media working the way it does now in contrast to the 90s, it could be a pretty powerful flick. I also never understood why people gave Juliette Lewis work constantly during that time... she also dated a bunch of like the biggest/most sought after actors in Hollywood and I always thought she was a shit actor with an unflattering body and an ugly face. I know I'm being harsh, but I've just always disliked her a lot.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Jul 21 2018 08:13pm

Decent movie. You can see Tarantino's footprint all over the movie. That brilliant dialogue about italians descending from blacks is awesome, and very much what you'd expect to see in a QT movie.

Overall I enjoyed the soundtrack, the acting and some of moments (like the aforementioned dialogue), but for some reason it gave me a lukewarm felling over all. Movie felt kind of empty at time, as if it was needlessly long (I mean, 2 hours isn't really that much, but it felt to me like the story only had substance for something like 90-100 minutes). I enjoyed it, but I think this would have been better if the director was more competent than Tony Scott.

Damn, a T movie with an incredibly cast, how have I never watched this ?

Same, watching it tonight. Seen many many movies over the years and feel a bit ashamed I've never heard of this one.

Hope you guys enjoy it!