Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ 8 Oct 2017 16:59)
If he was trying to turn/capture her, he could have easily knocked her out, taken her, and turned her. It was just bad writing.... It was a somewhat entertaining movie and it had it's low points and high points, but that entire scene felt unnecessary and just bad to me. Obviously we disagree, and that's alright. Nothing wrong with disagreeing. Obviously he's tough if he can take a shot from a bowcaster, those weapons are pretty ridiculous. Also, how do you/i/we know the extent of his training? Who's to say he didn't train as traditional Jedi did, starting as a toddler and nearing the completion of his training in his 20s. Luke was able to become a master in a year, Anakin was more capable than most masters in his teenage years, even if he wasn't emotionally stable enough to be considered a master, his abilities were certainly the caliber of a master. I'm pretty sure Rey will be a master by the start of the next movie, Skywalkers are just OP as fuck, that's how it works. Would be pretty convenient if he and he alone was the first and only inept of the Skywalker bloodline, don't you think?
I completely understand where you and others are coming from with the fact that he was horrendously injured and that she had training, even if not traditional training, but training, so she should be able to hold her own. As I said before, every other instance where a non-jedi has challenged a trained jedi in one on one combat, they've been completely destroyed, that's just how shit goes, they're on an entirely different level. He already showed that he may be the most powerful force user we've ever encountered, maybe second to Yoda, but that's about it. It's ludicrous that if he wanted to capture her, that he wouldn't be able to. With the story and how it was told, he 100% wanted to capture her and he was unable to do so, making the entire thing just blah. Once again, this is just my own opinion and I feel my reasoning for feeling this way is pretty sound. I've covered all this stuff with the injury, her being trained etc... so many fucking times, but nothing even remotely comes close to explaining why eh couldn't just force choke a bitch out and be done with it. There's not a fucking thing she could have done to stop it, it's Vader's signature move, meaning he knows it and would be an expert at using it, as to not let his idol and Grandpappy down. It would have been entirely fitting for him to finish the fight and drag her away using an ability like that. Obviously that would hurt the stories progression and she wouldn't be training with Luke right now, she'd be becoming a Sith, because the lure of the dark side is pretty much absolute when a jedi is taken hostage and the sith are given long periods of time to twist them and turn them, which would have ruined the trilogy if you make the protagonist go evil immediately lol. Once again, it just seemed unnecessary, they had already done enough and they could have held off on the light-saber duel until it actually made sense. There were so many other things wrong/irritating with this film, but that was just one of the ones that people seem to incredibly adamant about defending or rebuking and I feel I've made my position clear concerning this singular problem with the story.
I'm still trying to be optimistic about the next one, I want it to be good and I'd love nothing more than to walk out of a Star Wars movie NEEDING to go see it again immediately. That would be the most amazing feeling in the world and one I haven't had in a painfully long amount of time. I just don't want them talking down to the audience, I loathe when movies do that and I hope they let people figure out some things on their own, without feeling the need to RAM it down our throats multiple times throughout a single movie in case one idiot in the theater still didn't get the connection.
pretty much agree