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Sep 16 2016 05:51pm
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That's why I loved Coven, to me New Orleans and VooDoo / creole witches are both real, and believable as well.

e/ coven is S3
It's:
Murder House S1
Asylum S2
Coven S3
Freak Show S4
Hotel S5


To me coven was the worst, I thought it wasn't as well written as the other seasons and it also didn't really follow the ahs ideals. Everything in the season wasn't American, it was from other places and brought to America, which is what the show creators said they didn't want to focus on.

Plus most of it was just boring.
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Sep 16 2016 07:17pm
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To me coven was the worst, I thought it wasn't as well written as the other seasons and it also didn't really follow the ahs ideals. Everything in the season wasn't American, it was from other places and brought to America, which is what the show creators said they didn't want to focus on.

Plus most of it was just boring.


Wasn't a lot of it to do with slavery which is a big part of America's past?
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Sep 16 2016 08:11pm
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Wasn't a lot of it to do with slavery which is a big part of America's past?


It was mainly about witches vs voodoo which is Europe/Middle East vs Africa. There was a small amount of slavery in it as flash backs for one of the characters but honestly that was probably the weakest part of the series. Not to mention you're insane if you think Americans invented slavery. Slavery has a much longer history in other parts of the world.

You can argue that voodoo is a main part of southern culture which is fine, but witchcraft never really had a strong foothold in America.

Basically they broke their promise of focusing on some of the more creepy parts of American history with that season and it turned out bland and boring imo.
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Sep 16 2016 08:51pm
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Well the show creators said they wanted to do stories based in USA history, considering most of the creepy stuff we see is based in European history. Which to me nerfd the question where the heck are the Poe and Lovecraft influences? Both to quintessential horror writers and both American but neither seem to have any play in the show.


To me the reason the second season was the best, was not that they stuck to some conventional definition of some traditional horror, but that they really tried to forge ahead and create brand new definition by combining so many different elements of wtf, i never knew what was going to happen and where the story would go, yet somehow they strung it together so that it actually created the horror. I found the story fascinating, not the horror itself. Its kinda like what Alfred Hitchcock did for suspense. I was recently watching an hbo documentary on an interview between Hitchcock and Francois Truffaut and he talk about the role of a director as the definition of time and space that is created within the image itself and suspense is the manipulation of a narrative to create understanding that you should not know. It is this play between what you should not know and what you expect to happen that creates quality horror.
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Sep 16 2016 09:27pm
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It was mainly about witches vs voodoo which is Europe/Middle East vs Africa. There was a small amount of slavery in it as flash backs for one of the characters but honestly that was probably the weakest part of the series. Not to mention you're insane if you think Americans invented slavery. Slavery has a much longer history in other parts of the world.

You can argue that voodoo is a main part of southern culture which is fine, but witchcraft never really had a strong foothold in America.

Basically they broke their promise of focusing on some of the more creepy parts of American history with that season and it turned out bland and boring imo.



Ummmmm......Salem?......




I really liked coven because it was different than the rest. The story felt more put together, maybe more safe, but I think it worked well. Not to mention, Emma Roberts knocked her role out of the park. That's just me.

I like AHS, but I haven't LOVED a single season yet.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Sep 16 2016 09:33pm
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To me the reason the second season was the best, was not that they stuck to some conventional definition of some traditional horror, but that they really tried to forge ahead and create brand new definition by combining so many different elements of wtf, i never knew what was going to happen and where the story would go, yet somehow they strung it together so that it actually created the horror. I found the story fascinating, not the horror itself. Its kinda like what Alfred Hitchcock did for suspense. I was recently watching an hbo documentary on an interview between Hitchcock and Francois Truffaut and he talk about the role of a director as the definition of time and space that is created within the image itself and suspense is the manipulation of a narrative to create understanding that you should not know. It is this play between what you should not know and what you expect to happen that creates quality horror.


Lovecraft and Poe both transformed storytelling and horror in a way never done before, and arguably not done since. Your last sentence basically describes both Poe and Lovecraft (to different degrees). Either way, they are probably the two most influential writers of all American history and not taping their stories for inspiration for an American based horror show is, to me, a huge loss.

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Ummmmm......Salem?......


The witch hunt craze in Europe happened from 1300s to almost the 1700s. The Salem witch trials happened in the 1690s when Salem was very much a European colony, in fact America wasn't born until almost 100 years later.

So let me ask you, what about Salem?

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Lovecraft and Poe both transformed storytelling and horror in a way never done before, and arguably not done since. Your last sentence basically describes both Poe and Lovecraft (to different degrees). Either way, they are probably the two most influential writers of all American history and not taping their stories for inspiration for an American based horror show is, to me, a huge loss.



The witch hunt craze in Europe happened from 1300s to almost the 1700s. The Salem witch trials happened in the 1690s when Salem was very much a European colony, in fact America wasn't born until almost 100 years later.

So let me ask you, what about Salem?


It's American horror story, not European. I don't care what time frame and what status the United States was in early settlement, it was still in this country and the history of the Salem witch trials is huge in New England. Maybe being native to New England, I was pummeled with that history more than you. Especially since I live 30 minutes from Salem.

In any case, the ratings of each season are all over the place, and the consensus is, everyone likes and dislikes the series with many different ranking scenarios



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It's American horror story, not European. I don't care what time frame and what status the United States was in early settlement, it was still in this country and the history of the Salem witch trials is huge in New England. Maybe being native to New England, I was pummeled with that history more than you. Especially since I live 30 minutes from Salem.

In any case, the ratings of each season are all over the place, and the consensus is, everyone likes and dislikes the series with many different ranking scenarios


Well you're wrong
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Sep 16 2016 10:29pm
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Lovecraft and Poe both transformed storytelling and horror in a way never done before, and arguably not done since. Your last sentence basically describes both Poe and Lovecraft (to different degrees). Either way, they are probably the two most influential writers of all American history and not taping their stories for inspiration for an American based horror show is, to me, a huge loss.



The witch hunt craze in Europe happened from 1300s to almost the 1700s. The Salem witch trials happened in the 1690s when Salem was very much a European colony, in fact America wasn't born until almost 100 years later.

So let me ask you, what about Salem?


You do realize Salem is in America...?
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Sep 16 2016 10:35pm
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You do realize Salem is in America...?


You do realize the Salem witch trials were in the early 1690s and America wasn't a country until mid-late 1770s?

The witch hunts of Europe and the colonies are very much not American history.
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