In episode three his wife dies during child birth. Palpatine told him he killed her to make him more hateful etc. He was very manipulative.

Technically she dies after child birth from a broken heart. Really fucking stupid reason.

This post was edited by dirTyMan on Jan 4 2016 12:05am

He read Luke's mind, that's how he found out.

But he would have realized this was a lie when he found out his kids were alive as she hadn't given birth at the time. Didn't he care at all?

He knew.

There's this channel on YouTube that shows how movies should have ended. It showed Vader killing Palpatine for hiding his kids from him lol.


But to be fair I think during the original trilogy they didn't plan on Vader and Palpatine ever having that conversation in the prequels.

The way I always pictured it, which could be my own creation or maybe I read it in a novel and forgot exactly which one, was like this:

When 2 Jedi are dueling, they are also constantly battling each other using the Force in addition to normal swordfighting techniques. They are each using the Force on each other's sabers and bodies in order to gain an advantage. This is evident in Empire when Vader actually defenestrates Luke. That was a moment when Luke let his "Force guard" down and Vader was able to completely control Luke's body, shattering the window. Vader was able to probe deep enough to realize Luke was his son in the final moment when Luke had been completely defeated Force-wise and Vader was all up in his mind. This was a convenient way for Lucas to have an extra dimension to his showdowns without needing to show anything extra on camera (the Force being obviously invisible).

In the final showdown in Jedi, I imagined there also being a constant psychic three-way battle between Luke Vader and Emp. Each person was trying to sense and manipulate the thoughts and feelings of the other 2. There was a constant tug of war, each person shifting their focus between physical and mental battle, the depth of all 3 being tested. This constant flux allowed Vader to probe deeper and learn more in that moment that he was able to get before. Perhaps Vader each learned the truth about Leia from a combination of Luke's mind + Emperor's mind in that moment. The pivotal battle was all happening "offscreen" despite the fact that we were looking at the characters the whole time.

Unlike these battles, Vader couldn't tell Leia was his daughter at the beginning of New Hope because she was at full mental strength sticking to her story about being on a "diplomatic mission"

This post was edited by kayeto on Jan 4 2016 09:18pm

Vader also wasn't trying to find out if Leia was his daughter at the beginning of A New Hope.



No. Vader never finds out Leia is his daughter. Why he couldn't sense her for power I don't know. Why Darth Sidious couldn't sense her power either, I REALLY don't know. It wasn't a concept in Lucas' mind back in 70s probably.

ANH was initially written as a stand alone film . Lewis possibly wasn't even Luke's sister in that movie when first written.

Lewis.