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Oct 20 2014 12:30pm
I hear people talkin bout how great it is 24/7, I have never seen it but i think i will cave into peer pressure and watch it
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Oct 21 2014 12:20pm
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Oct 21 2014 10:31pm
Quote (Sire @ Oct 20 2014 10:30am)
I hear people talkin bout how great it is 24/7, I have never seen it but i think i will cave into peer pressure and watch it


There's a lot of haters but it's still good...and when it's good, it's reeeally good.

Part of the problem it runs into is it omits things from the comic that are important to the overall plot. Carl is a really good example. He's much more of a badass, especially considering he's around 9 or 10 when the whole thing starts.

Being cable television, AMC isn't going to show a little kid killing people, sometimes in cold blood. It's an important part of the plot, because we see how this young kid is forced to grow up way too fast. He's going to be his father's successor and he's willing to keep his people safe, no matter the cost. All of this goes on before he's 12.

On the show, his character doesn't have these developments at all. They often replace things he's done with adults. Yet, they still try and push him as a badass.

This is just one example and there's a few more. I'd suggest picking up the comic and watching the show together. Reading it, then getting to see it, makes for a better experience IMO.



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Oct 21 2014 10:40pm
Quote (sylvannos @ Oct 22 2014 12:31am)
There's a lot of haters but it's still good...and when it's good, it's reeeally good.

Part of the problem it runs into is it omits things from the comic that are important to the overall plot. Carl is a really good example. He's much more of a badass, especially considering he's around 9 or 10 when the whole thing starts.

Being cable television, AMC isn't going to show a little kid killing people, sometimes in cold blood. It's an important part of the plot, because we see how this young kid is forced to grow up way too fast. He's going to be his father's successor and he's willing to keep his people safe, no matter the cost. All of this goes on before he's 12.

On the show, his character doesn't have these developments at all. They often replace things he's done with adults. Yet, they still try and push him as a badass.

This is just one example and there's a few more. I'd suggest picking up the comic and watching the show together. Reading it, then getting to see it, makes for a better experience IMO.


Did you forget the guy he capped in the head? they didn't hesitate on that one.
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Oct 22 2014 05:42am
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Did you forget the guy he capped in the head? they didn't hesitate on that one.


I remembered that one. It's one of the few times Carl does something resembling his character from the comic.

*spoiler below*

I'm more talking about how he kills Shane (Rick does it in the show), the sociopath twin (Carol on show), and later kills Negan's men (wouldn't surprise me if they change it).

Then there's how toned down the show was after the prison. Carl looks after Rick for much longer in the comic. IIRC it's only a few days in the show and Michone shows up. In the comic, it's over a week and Carl begins to accept Rick might die.

The two depictions feel completely different from one another IMO.
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Oct 22 2014 10:02am
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I remembered that one. It's one of the few times Carl does something resembling his character from the comic.

*spoiler below*

I'm more talking about how he kills Shane (Rick does it in the show), the sociopath twin (Carol on show), and later kills Negan's men (wouldn't surprise me if they change it).

Then there's  how toned down the show was after the prison. Carl looks after Rick for much longer in the comic. IIRC it's only a few days in the show and Michone shows up. In the comic, it's over a week and Carl begins to accept Rick might die.

The two depictions feel completely different from one another IMO.


There are a lot of good reasons they are "slow playing" carls character on the show. First we have child labor laws so season 1 carl couldnt do what his comic book counterpart did because they simply couldnt have him work enough hours for all the takes they would need. Kids as young as season 1 carl also tend to be shitty actors. They made the right call switching all those parts.
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Oct 22 2014 01:02pm
Quote (cSwish @ 20 Oct 2014 19:25)
old man dies


about time
now the kid needs to die among like 6 other characters
and then they remake the show with better characters
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Oct 22 2014 06:55pm
Quote (sylvannos @ Oct 22 2014 06:42am)
I remembered that one. It's one of the few times Carl does something resembling his character from the comic.

*spoiler below*

I'm more talking about how he kills Shane (Rick does it in the show), the sociopath twin (Carol on show), and later kills Negan's men (wouldn't surprise me if they change it).

Then there's  how toned down the show was after the prison. Carl looks after Rick for much longer in the comic. IIRC it's only a few days in the show and Michone shows up. In the comic, it's over a week and Carl begins to accept Rick might die.

The two depictions feel completely different from one another IMO.


Rick kills him initially but then Shane shoots him after he's turned...

and did you forget he shot his own mother?? if that doesn't depict a child being forced to grow up early, idk what does. and later in season 4, he almost gets a chance to put down his dad when a beleaguered Rick struggles to regain consciousness
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Oct 22 2014 08:34pm
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Oct 23 2014 12:06am
Quote (Cheesehead @ Oct 22 2014 04:55pm)
Rick kills him initially but then Shane shoots him after he's turned...

and did you forget he shot his own mother?? if that doesn't depict a child being forced to grow up early, idk what does. and later in season 4, he almost gets a chance to put down his dad when a beleaguered Rick struggles to regain consciousness


In the comic, Carl straight-up shoots Shane and kills him before the group even leaves their camp outside Atlanta. The show has Carl shoot an already dead Shane before the group leaves the farm.

It's a major difference. The show has Shane making all the questionable decisions early on, instead of Rick struggling between doing what's right and doing what survives. The group accepts a child who's not even ten is capable of killing a live person and that's what the world has come to. The show puts this off until the season 2 finale.

Carl is just one example. The show gets a lot of things right. Mainly the addition of Daryl, changes to Carol, and so far the changes to the hunters. It really falls flat on Andrea, Dale, Shane and Rick's relationship, the Governor, and Carl.

Edit: oh and the comic doesn't have Carl shoot Lori...a sniper shoots Lori and kills her along with newborn Judith. Rick completely fucking loses it and Carl begins to doubt his father.

This post was edited by sylvannos on Oct 23 2014 12:08am
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