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Feb 17 2014 07:32pm
Have not watched Walking Dead in ages. Skipped to latest episode, saw the acting. Was outrageously bad. :rofl:
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Feb 17 2014 07:36pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Feb 18 2014 12:50am)
The prison was something big regardless of your opinion on the show. And the introduction of  3 iconic comic book characters isn't a minor thing either.
But do explain how it's been running in circles though, make it a good one. Given that the prison blew up, people separated and they're chronicling what happened to the survivors of each separated group and how they're meeting back up.


I SPECIFICALLY said that I'm treating this show as a stand alone, away from the comic book, because I simply have not read the comic series. It's NOT wrong of me to critique the show for this reasoning.

The prison overrun was predictable and inevitable.. People have been separated and rejoined throughout the entire series.

The flu, that was something interested, actually. However, that plot has seemingly disappeared, which is okay because it would be foolish to draw out that event much further.


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How can you say that nothing significant has happened? The prison being overrun..... group being separated...... brand new characters being released.... even showing the growth of characters such as Carl ( although I find him very annoyingly immature and naive at times)



Read what I say, clearly you're not paying attention or simply cannot comprehend what I've said.

Carl's growth has been definitely predictable and could be foreseen even before season 3 started. You find him annoying and immature.....He's a child.....of course he is going to have undeveloped emotions and habits. And like some kids, they (Carl for instance) wants to "be like the adults."





I've enjoyed the show, don't get me wrong, but I feel like it needs to take an UNEXPECTED turn that completely changes the plot, the way characters interact with each other, and perhaps something even more threatening to the characters lives.

Again, please note, that I am speaking completely disregarding the existence of the comic series.
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Feb 17 2014 08:18pm
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I SPECIFICALLY said that I'm treating this show as a stand alone, away from the comic book, because I simply have not read the comic series.  It's NOT wrong of me to critique the show for this reasoning.

The prison overrun was predictable and inevitable..  People have been separated and rejoined throughout the entire series. 

The flu, that was something interested, actually.  However, that plot has seemingly disappeared, which is okay because it would be foolish to draw out that event much further.





Read what I say, clearly you're not paying attention or simply cannot comprehend what I've said.

Carl's growth has been definitely predictable and could be foreseen even before season 3 started.  You find him annoying and immature.....He's a child.....of course he is going to have undeveloped emotions and habits.  And like some kids, they (Carl for instance) wants to "be like the adults."





I've enjoyed the show, don't get me wrong, but I feel like it needs to take an UNEXPECTED turn that completely changes the plot, the way characters interact with each other, and perhaps something even more threatening to the characters lives. 

Again, please note, that I am speaking completely disregarding the existence of the comic series.


Don't let the fanboys get to you. I agree with everything you've said. Show hasn't been good since S2.
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Feb 18 2014 01:32pm
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Honestly, did I say that I wanted mindless zombie action?


I completely understand how much character involvement drives the show, I'm not blind and I can handle a good drama.

However, with that said, the show has been running in circles.  Something BIG needs to happen.  The prison being taken over......that wasn't big, everyone knew that was coming.


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the involvement with a new cast being introduced is nothing interesting......We all know how an incorporation of a new group of people ends up....along with the fact that it was predictable given the kill off of certain recent characters.


This "something big" needs to be some sort of interaction between zombies and humans, not humans and humans.


To be honest, most good zombie movies and shows are centered around the hardships it brings to the survivors, how they deal with the adversity, and how people change in terms of their human like traits, or personalities based on the events unraveling. If it's zombie action you want, games are far more focused around that. Shows and movies tend to focus on the aspect of what's going on inside of everyone's head and the real issues at hand. The zombies are more of just a reason why things are this way, not the focus of the show. That was pretty apparent from the first few episodes all the way up until now. I am completely satisfied with the show so far and am now interested in picking up the comics at some point.
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Feb 18 2014 02:05pm
Quote (Snicklefritz @ Feb 18 2014 02:03pm)
Don't let the fanboys get to you. I agree with everything you've said. Show hasn't been good since S2.


not a fanboy at all... i just understand that a successful tv show with long running seasons needs to be a character driven drama as opposed to 40 mins of zombie munch every week. So reading to generic "merp derp too boring slow nothing happening blah " posts gets tiring, its simple if people don't like it stop watching, the premise of the show can not and will not change so deal, or move on.

For you to state the show hasn't been good since s2 means you've been watching every week? which must mean you like it? because nobody watches a show week in week out if they don't like it do they? or are you waiting for it to change? or haven't you been watching? making your opinion null and void? move on :)

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Feb 18 2014 03:07pm
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To be honest, most good zombie movies and shows are centered around the hardships it brings to the survivors, how they deal with the adversity, and how people change in terms of their human like traits, or personalities based on the events unraveling. If it's zombie action you want, games are far more focused around that. Shows and movies tend to focus on the aspect of what's going on inside of everyone's head and the real issues at hand. The zombies are more of just a reason why things are this way, not the focus of the show. That was pretty apparent from the first few episodes all the way up until now. I am completely satisfied with the show so far and am now interested in picking up the comics at some point.


Sigh. I've already said that I understand the focus of the show, I understand that it is character driven. I completely understand that. It's getting repetitive, that's all. Just because it has good character development, it doesn't mean it can't become repetitive. I don't even want simple zombie action because the zombie action the show has been providing has gotten repetitive as well.

Like i said before, I can handle a good drama, I have no issues with watching dramas...... But this show needs more.

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Feb 18 2014 03:29pm
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Sigh.  I've already said that I understand the focus of the show, I understand that it is character driven.  I completely understand that.  It's getting repetitive, that's all.  Just because it has good character development, it doesn't mean it can't become repetitive.  I don't even want simple zombie action because the zombie action the show has been providing has gotten repetitive as well.

Like i said before, I can handle a good drama, I have no issues with watching dramas...... But this show needs  more.


When don't dramas get repetitive? Don't you think in a world like the one in the walking dead, that things would get quite repetitive? Don't you think many of the same issues will continue to arise until they all die? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but think about it.

In their world, they are always going to be humans who have lost all hope, lost their humanity, or have just sank into the darkness the world forces on people. They are always going to be running, no amount of zombie killing will put even a minor dent in the undead population. They are always going to have most of the same issues coming up, just slightly varied from the last time. The show portrays this well. The world is already a small place. Now kill off 99% of the population and bring them back as undead, and the world becomes even smaller. People will be getting lost, but at the same time, how far can they go? They aren't going to up and leave the main area the story rakes place, there's just not enough resources to make it out, and who's to say it's not far worse out there? Reuniting with someone wouldn't be all THAT difficult, it's basically a matter of time. Do the zombies find them first or do you.


Not to mention Hershall dieing is huge. Bigger than them losing the prison, and getting separated. Hershall was a lot of the time the one who was able to help steer the group on the right direction, he's trained in medicinal practice and knows a lot more about the things that will eventually kill you from trying to survive in this type of world. You wanted a game changer, his death will be the hardest thing that has happened to this group since the undead began rising.

Again, not saying you are right or wrong. What are some big time changes you think should happen?

And what show doesn't get predictable? I could have told you breaking bad would end about exactly how it did after half way through the series, if not sooner.

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When don't dramas get repetitive? Don't you think in a world like the one in the walking dead, that things would get quite repetitive? Don't you think many of the same issues will continue to arise until they all die? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but think about it.

In their world, they are always going to be humans who have lost all hope, lost their humanity, or have just sank into the darkness the world forces on people. They are always going to be running, no amount of zombie killing will put even a minor dent in the undead population. They are always going to have most of the same issues coming up, just slightly varied from the last time. The show portrays this well. The world is already a small place. Now kill off 99% of the population and bring them back as undead, and the world becomes even smaller. People will be getting lost, but at the same time, how far can they go? They aren't going to up and leave the main area the story rakes place, there's just not enough resources to make it out, and who's to say it's not far worse out there? Reuniting with someone wouldn't be all THAT difficult, it's basically a matter of time. Do the zombies find them first or do you.


Not to mention Hershall dieing is huge. Bigger than them losing the prison, and getting separated. Hershall was a lot of the time the one who was able to help steer the group on the right direction, he's trained in medicinal practice and knows a lot more about the things that will eventually kill you from trying to survive in this type of world. You wanted a game changer, his death will be the hardest thing that has happened to this group since the undead began rising.

Again, not saying you are right or wrong. What are some big time changes you think should happen?

And what show doesn't get predictable? I could have told you breaking bad would end about exactly how it did after half way through the series, if not sooner.


You don't need to tell me about the show. I've seen all the episodes, I understand the significance of all the characters. I ENJOY the show. I spent my college career analyzing stories, I don't need to be told about this one.

It is MY opinion that this show needs something more, a major change in the zombie behavior perhaps......but even that wouldn't make sense because the zombies (should be) are getting weaker as the show continues forward.
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Feb 18 2014 06:30pm
Quote (stupidkid282 @ Feb 18 2014 03:01pm)
You don't need to tell me about the show.  I've seen all the episodes, I understand the significance of all the characters.  I ENJOY the show.  I spent my college career analyzing stories, I don't need to be told about this one.

It is MY opinion that this show needs something more, a major change in the zombie behavior perhaps......but even that wouldn't make sense because the zombies (should be) are getting weaker as the show continues forward.


Well technically the zombies can behave in any way really, since there are no real life rules to go by in terms of the undead. Even though logic and science prove decaying flesh grows exponentially weaker over time, we don't know anything about this plague because it's just a made of infection. But I don't disagree that the show could use a little something new, maybe that's why they decided to have everyone split up, we will probably learn more about each individual character over the next handful of episodes than we did through the series so far. The group is in shambles, there's no crutch to lean on, no safe place to relax in, no one to guide them down the right path silently, each character is now on their own essentially. They all have their own agendas now, even if they are in smaller groups. How they all reunite or die trying or just forget about eachother is going to be an interesting sequence of events.
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