prob cause thats what was thought initially for a while

yea Jesse thought it was ricin at first. but by the time tonight's episode happened, he had already known for awhile that it was not ricin. So I'm asking how what happened in tonight's episode still makes sense...

Walter cleared himself of accusation from lifting the ricin by it having turned up lost in his house (which the roomba picked up). Before that, however, Walter suggested that Tyrus lifted it from his locker. Once Jesse pieced together that Hule is the one who lifted it, he could only connect that to Walter White. Saul had no way of finding out about the ricin, so Saul's man lifting it could only lead to Walter. Knowing that Walter lifted the ricin and tried to steer Jesse towards Gus being the culprit, he could probably put together the plan with the Lily of the Valley from there. If not, that's at least enough for him to demand answers from Saul.

Granted, that's a lot to put together in those ten seconds, but Jesse probably mulled over the ricin/LotV thing for months beforehand, thinking of the possibility that Walter did pick it up. With the realization this episode, it probably just all clicked into place in that instant.

This post was edited by AnomanderRake on Aug 25 2013 10:47pm

If he went there to demand answers from Saul, that would have made sense. But that's not what happened. He was going there already knowing the answer and knowing what he was going to do about it.

Knowing that his ricin cigarette was lifted for Walt still doesn't connect Walt to the Brock poisoning. I'm not sure the show ever even said what Jesse thought about the Brock poisoning after he got better, did it? Did he end up chalking it up to Gus or an accident?

This post was edited by kayeto on Aug 25 2013 10:53pm

He chalked it up to an accident. The doctor said that berries grow on Lily of the Valley flowers, and kids tend to eat those berries and get poisoned. Walt being who he is knows this which is why he chose the LotV. However, Jesse still remembers that Walter claimed complete ignorance on the ricin, and then a minute later "pieced together" that Gus must have taken it. So he remembers that Walter successfully turned Jesse against Gus at that point. So all Walter needed was for Jesse to believe that Gus poisoned brock with ricin just for that small window of time until Gus was dealt with. Jesse probably figured out that Brock needed to be poisoned for that plan to work, so he concluded that Walter must have poisoned him to put that whole thing in motion. Granted that's not really hard evidence (Walter could have gotten lucky with Brock's sickness and used it as an opportunity), but given that Jesse knows what Walter would resort to, what with Mike and the ten witnesses, it didn't seem like that big of a stretch.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the alternative scenario that I put in brackets doesn't make sense. Walter had the ricin lifted well before he could have known about Brock getting sick, so the idea of Walter using it as an "opportunity" doesn't make sense. That makes the case for him poisoning Brock a lot stronger.

This post was edited by AnomanderRake on Aug 25 2013 11:03pm

I don't have the episodes in front of me right now to recheck stuff, but I remember thinking (and I could be wrong) that the first time Jesse noticed his ricin missing was when he had left the cigarette box in his locker at the laundromat. I remember thinking that Walter took it out of his pocket there. Do I have this detail wrong? Dud Hule lift it off Jesse?

This post was edited by kayeto on Aug 25 2013 11:19pm

Jesse noticed it missing at the hospital, after the mother told him the situation with Brock. Yes, Hule did lift it off him, but Saul just held on to it and returned it to Walter at the beginning of S5.

Anyway, on another note...

What was up with Todd updating Walter on the "personnel shift"? Why does he need to inform Walter at all... is Walt still secretly taking a cut from the business?

I guess Jesse is the culprit for that flash-forward. That is, unless the writers are completely yanking our chain and Jesse has a change of heart at the beginning of next episode. Though in his current mental state, I wouldn't put it past him to write "Heisenberg" on the wall. I just wonder, will the coordinates survive the fire? If not, does Walt remember them?

I really loved that scene in the desert. I love how Jesse completely turned that conversation around. Though I'm still trying to make sense of the hug at the end.

Also that video... hilarious. But also kinda scary how consistent it is with all the past events. The PT money thing really screws Hank.

I feel really bad for Skyler. She never approved of Walter, but had to do things to implicate herself so she could protect the family from having their house and assets seized by the government. Now she looks completely implicated in Hank's eyes. And I doubt Hank will ever see it her way, since he made it pretty clear last episode that catching Walter was more important to him than protecting Skyler. That whole dark office scene really shows her turmoil.

This post was edited by AnomanderRake on Aug 25 2013 11:34pm

omg this show is well written, pure gold !!!! all kicking off

Walt will probably be an awesome lex

Jesse gonna dieeeeeee