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Oct 14 2020 11:51am
Really long post sorry. If you read it all, then I'm impressed.

I want a desktop :)

I dont even play many games.
Just figured I'm long overdue for an upgrade. All the games I've played, a toaster can run.

The most graphic/cpu intense game I've cared to play is PoE.
I just run it on low settings, and I only play a couple months a year.

I go to read, learn and check out how to determine what is worth getting and what is the best for my $.
Then I go back to the fact that I dont even play good games that need a better PC.
I think PoE could be more enjoyable and maybe just knowing I'm not restricted by my PC's capabilities is nice.

But I'm basically just watching and reading several opinions on the internet,
then basing my entire judgement on what they say.


I have no clue what I'm doing, or... well, I have a clue.
I just dont know what I dont know and that bothers me.
I guess I'd just like to know entirely what I'm doing before doing things.

So, lets get on with it.
I've always just bought prebuilt computers from your local generic superstore.
I dont want a super computer that runs everything in max setting.
I just want a good pc that can last +5 years comfortably.

Should I be trying to build that expensive PC? How expensive is it?
Or should I just upgrade parts every year or 2? How do people go about this.


Am I only going to save like $100 building a $500 PC? $200 for a $1,000 PC?
Or am I actually going to build a PC that is significantly better than the prebuilt PCs you find in stores and also save 50% or more?
I don't know what my budget is. I'm willing to spend a lot but I dont think that's necessary for my needs.
I simply don't know what games take to run anymore, I've been out of the loop so long, and probably never actually in it haha.

Cyber monday and black friday are coming so I think I need be ready, and know what I want to buy by then to get the best deal, right?
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Currently saw a thread and going to read through this post someone had linked in it https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56436747&f=189
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Oct 14 2020 12:18pm
Hmm I'm not sure but I think point 5 of that thread excludes my post:

5. We are here to help you and many of us do enjoy it, however, if you are simply looking for benchmarks or general help, this is not the place.

I didnt realize this place is strictly for someone to search and budget your pc. I think I'm more so looking for advice.


I'll try posting in that format.

Need: Desktop
Description: Gaming
Budget: Path of Exile full summoner party max settings?
Running every other game there is but not necessarily max settings, just medium I guess.
Planned time until purchase: going to try and buy everything on cybermonday/black friday
Do you need an Operating System?: yes
Do you have any specific preferred components?: I'm planning to run 2 monitors
Do you need a sound or wireless card?: I would imagine so for sound, dont care for wireless but would like to keep it an option for upgrading. Why wouldnt someone need a sound card?
Do you want stock cooling or do you plan on overclocking?: dont plan on overclocking. But I think cooling is probably pretty important because I do long sessions

Do you need a monitor?: I can manage to get this on my own I think.
No need for mouse or keyboard.

Are you planning to use multiple monitors?Yes 2, maybe 3 later on.
Are you looking for upgrade-ability? I think that's my main goal. I would really like to be able to continue to upgrade, but at what point is this not feasible? And is upgrading not worth doing unless you are doing it yearly?
I feel like I might get something that made for all the upgrades but end up being someone who doesnt really upgrade like others do.
Do you have any preferred brands? Quality is my only concern

I dont care at all about how it looks, I care 100% about just it's function and performance if someone said it's better to open up the case and hook up a massive fan I would. I have no care for colors and lights.

I can travel to Microcenter for parts. But why would I do that? Last time I checked their prices were higher than what I find online but yea if needed I can, theres one near me.

How much hard drive space do you want or need? - my pcs have always had more than enough space. The store brands seem to always come with more than you will ever need. Its not too expensive or a major factor for me so I think I just want upgrade-ability. I do want an SSD though for Path of Exile at least.
Will you use wireless or wired internet? - wired always, but if I ever needed wireless would that be hard to upgrade? Significant motherboard change?
Will you overclock CPU and/or GPU? - nah I dont think I will ever do this
Any special requests or useful things to tell us? (Specific case, need lots of storage, audio etc.) - nothing that comes to mind


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This post was edited by King Atrhur on Oct 14 2020 12:30pm
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Quote (King Atrhur @ Oct 14 2020 02:29pm)


Let me type out the text so you can read it. It's too blurry in your image.

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How set in stone are the project's and movement's names at this point? To grow faster, the project needs to make a good first impression, taking advantage of anyone's fleeting first exposure to it so a person will want to learn more and believe it could actually offer a possible real solution or they won't bother. But this name, "The Venus Project", rather than encouraging one to listen with an open mind could cause one's antennae to go up, waiting for the crazy, not realistic, "out of this world" part. I'm guessing the Venus in the Venus Project comes from Jacque being in Venus, Florida, but to any newbie "Venus" means something "out there" on other planet, and I think that makes an easily avoidable bad first impression. The "Venus Project" name doesn't sound serious to me, it sounds childish. Also the name of the movement, "Zeitgeist", is not only needlessly non-self-descriptive (we're wasting valuable exposure with a mysterious name - losing the opportunity that on each occasion when the name of the organization is mentioned, that in itself could be sending an introduction to a new idea, like if the name were Technology Solves Al Movement for a sloppy example), but it will also forever tie the movement to what some will call the conspiracy stuff (9/11, religion, etc.) because of your identically named movie Zeitgeist, and this will only distract and alienate from the RBE prize. I was in the 911 Truth Movement and saw up front & personal so many who had an instinctively negative visceral reaction to any suggestion that 9/11 was an inside job, that they would hear no more. Also, why alienate those with strong beliefs in their religion? Is it really necessary for us to first convince everyone they've been lied to about everything their whole life before introducing a sane alternative to a profit based society when there are no good jobs anymore even in the first world? People are desperate for an alternative and these other things I think are unhelpful distractions to a beginner's introduction to the possibility of another way. Activists for a new system won't get so many bites at the mainstream media exposure apple that we can afford to squander any by tying a hand behind our back with unimportant inconsequential stuff like names and logos. Perhaps if we eliminate these easily changed hurdles, the movement will grow faster and have less fact and debunking charges to respond to. Trust me, I know that responding to 911 debunking charges is a full time job in itself, it's a rabbit hole. Unless we get away from the Zeitgeist movie name, we will be linked to the what people call the "conspiracy" stuff. Of course, this suggestion should not in anyway detract from your contribution, Peter. You actually created the movement, right? and probably lots of us learned of it BECAUSE of your movie's addressing of the "conspiracy" stuff. This is truly only a request for a superficial and easily made change to de-link the V.P. and a R.B.E. with the unrelated items others deem conspiracy and/or non-positive theories. I say easily made because people's flyers, dvd sleeves, logos, stuff that is printed when needed, can be changed digitally on computers through existing technology generally available to those who print the stuff (just retyping, or simple editing, right?) and there [elbow] stockpiles of stuff with the current names on it that would be wasted I assume? Thanks in advance for your consideration, and please also address whom you think such a decision as to the movement's name should be made.


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Oct 14 2020 09:35pm
Give me a budget price and location.
No one will present a build around black Friday/cyber Monday cause we ain't physic and most here will be to busy looking for shit for themselves.
I can max POE for cheap and costly depending on resolution and other factors hence my requirement for a budget, everyone's financials are different.
No one can promise in 5 years that your pc will be relevant or worth upgrading either. Generally upgrading is reserved for those with limited budgets
but instant needs for a pc. Whats required to max the game today can change with future updates. Finally if I make something now it may not be relevant
come your purchase time as prices fluctuate so you can get a rough idea from me now or wait and hope someone responds to you during the blitz.
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Oct 14 2020 11:50pm
Uhh
Microcenter has some fair prebuilts.
I looked at their PowerSpec G228.

B460 Chipset
I5 10400
Gtx 1660 Super
16gbs of memory.

No idea what their power supply is that's the only issue.
Costs maybe a 100 bucks over parts? Has some upgrade paths depending if that PSU is from a reputable brand.

Would run dual 1080p monitors no problem and fit your needs.

This post was edited by Bruv on Oct 14 2020 11:51pm
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Quote (King Atrhur @ Oct 14 2020 11:35pm)
Give me a budget price and location.
No one will present a build around black Friday/cyber Monday cause we ain't physic and most here will be to busy looking for shit for themselves.
I can max POE for cheap and costly depending on resolution and other factors hence my requirement for a budget, everyone's financials are different.
No one can promise in 5 years that your pc will be relevant or worth upgrading either. Generally upgrading is reserved for those with limited budgets
but instant needs for a pc. Whats required to max the game today can change with future updates. Finally if I make something now it may not be relevant
come your purchase time as prices fluctuate so you can get a rough idea from me now or wait and hope someone responds to you during the blitz.


ah, ok so upgrade-ability is mainly something you do if you cant straight up buy the computer you want then huh?
So no one really plans for like a future investment to keep their pc updated like how I thought, and this is because things can change so much, I guess?
I had no clue no one can guarantee a pc is relevant after 5 years, didnt know stuff changed that much.
thanks :) your post actually answers a lot of what I was asking, I appreciate it

but it's definitely worth waiting for black friday/cyber monday though, right?

so then I'll just buy something and not worry about it... it is what it is
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Quote (Bruv @ Oct 15 2020 01:50am)
Uhh
Microcenter has some fair prebuilts.
I looked at their PowerSpec G228.

B460 Chipset
I5 10400
Gtx 1660 Super
16gbs of memory.

No idea what their power supply is that's the only issue.
Costs maybe a 100 bucks over parts? Has some upgrade paths depending if that PSU is from a reputable brand.

Would run dual 1080p monitors no problem and fit your needs.


hmm just looked that up
this one right? ---> https://www.microcenter.com/product/624825/powerspec-g228-gaming-computer

seems pretty cheap lmao cheaper than a phone... and if it's able to do what I was asking for, nice :D

are you saying it costs $100 more than all the parts bought separately and constructed yourself?

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