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Apr 26 2020 07:26am
Was playing Path of exile, Temps of cpu were 57-62c under load.
GPU temps were 63-65c under load.
I knew my computer case wiring was a mess, and never bothered to fix it.
So stayed up all night pretty much, and spent 7 hours trying to figure out how i want to route my wires ect, and ended up having to drill a slightly bigger hole in 1 of the 5 un-used cd trays.
Anyways.... thin CPU fan wires were kind of loose/flopping around because i put the stock cpu fan on... side ways.... not that it really mattered, but just wanted to make wires a little more tight/wrapped

Computer was build in early 2013....
as you can imagine... which i didn't think was going to happen....
CPU thermal paste was very dry flakey, and somewhat yellow and nasty...

The thermal paste was pre-applied intel i5 3570k cpu / stock cooler combo

Temps of GPU went down 5c, after cleaning/ re-routing.... so i did something right at least ha ha...
CPU temps went from 57-62 , to 65-72 c....
only 75% of the cpu probably has any faint amount of cpu thermal paste...

my question is... what is the brand/quality of the original thermal paste? ( not that it really matters )
I just know nothing about thermal paste, and i really would like to get some ASAP !
Bestbuy has the corsair tm30 in stock, or can order xtm50 in 4-5 days.

Is the TM30 going to be Good enough , or same or better Quality than the stock cooler thermal paste?
Should i wait the 4-5 days for XTM50 ?
Try both?
any other ideas or recommendations?
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Apr 26 2020 05:06pm
Stock paste doesn't have a brand I think and its trash paste.
Thermal grizzly kryonaught or w/e its called is top shelf. arctic silver 5 is standard.
You will only notice a slight temp change under load.
If your cpu is not soldered a delid and liquid metal is the best option for temp drops.
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Quote (King Atrhur @ 26 Apr 2020 18:06)
Stock paste doesn't have a brand I think and its trash paste.
Thermal grizzly kryonaught or w/e its called is top shelf. arctic silver 5 is standard.
You will only notice a slight temp change under load.
If your cpu is not soldered a delid and liquid metal is the best option for temp drops.


Quote (Ghot @ 26 Apr 2020 20:51)


Thanks for the replies.
unfortunately I made the mistake of buying the tm30 corsair thermal paste from BestBuy
Thermal paste seems to do the job, and played some POE and ran some things on firefox like youtube , fb , ect. to get heat temps up, and while in a full party on Path of exile.... i only seen 66c max, and is idle temp at 48-53c , thats like 2c lower than recent average. so thats good.
( not sure if it had anything to do with my wire re-routing situation ) for cpu temps, but my GPU temps went from 69c to 61C after all this stuff....
because of the corona virus , bestbuy is doing curb side pickup, so i had to pay online , i should of just entered my card info on bestbuy's website, but i thought it would be safer to use paypal, I guess my paypal was compromised and as soon as i linked my bank card, i got a fake comcast transaction of 1,100$
really pissed rn, i could of bought a whole new computer.
Hopefully my bank reverses charges.
Never using paypal again, idk how it even happened. but i guess a lot of people are victims to paypal the last 7 days b/c they keep getting hacked into.

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Thanks for the replies.
unfortunately I made the mistake of buying the tm30 corsair thermal paste from BestBuy
Thermal paste seems to do the job, and played some POE and ran some things on firefox like youtube , fb , ect. to get heat temps up, and while in a full party on Path of exile.... i only seen 66c max, and is idle temp at 48-53c , thats like 2c lower than recent average. so thats good.
( not sure if it had anything to do with my wire re-routing situation ) for cpu temps, but my GPU temps went from 69c to 61C after all this stuff....
because of the corona virus , bestbuy is doing curb side pickup, so i had to pay online , i should of just entered my card info on bestbuy's website, but i thought it would be safer to use paypal, I guess my paypal was compromised and as soon as i linked my bank card, i got a fake comcast transaction of 1,100$
really pissed rn, i could of bought a whole new computer.
Hopefully my bank reverses charges.
Never using paypal again, idk how it even happened. but i guess a lot of people are victims to paypal the last 7 days b/c they keep getting hacked into.




Just out of curiosity, what CPU do you have?
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Quote (Ghot @ 26 Apr 2020 23:28)
Just out of curiosity, what CPU do you have?


i5 3570k

also Before this entire issue

Speccy said
Before
cpu 33-34c to 54-55c at game load
GPU 62c to 69c at game load

After cable re-management from front side, blocking video card, re-routed to backside of motherboard/case
( doesn't help the situation of testing) Removed cpu heatsink to rotate it 90 degree's. to remove plastic clip for wire away from ram card.
noticed cpu paste was flakey... when re-attaching
Speccy said
Cpu 72-78c just at idle
gpu 64c just at idle

after I used Corsair TM30 ( medium-large Pea size ) pressed pretty hard on the heatsink to lock it into place, so pretty sure it spread
Only concern was I cleaned old stuff of with a (Ziess) brand lens cleaning wipe, that has alcohol in it, as all the stores are sold out of rubbing alcohol.
ran computer for about 4 hours , turned it off for 45 mins, turned it on for 3 hours, turned it off for 30-40 mins.. now left the computer on all day.

Temps for the first half hour were up and down like crazy.... but it settled after awhile...
Now idles at
CPU 57c , 67 at game load
GPU Gpu 67 , 69 at game load.

I have noticed that my SSD drive has been 3c higher than usual...
also my motherboard always seems to be 5-6c higher than my cpu now?
when as before it was normally 1-2 c lower?

So does this mean i applied the paste wrong, or should not have used the lens wipe?
or does this mean that the air flow for the back side of the case is no longer there?
not that i would think there would be air flow, but if there was there definitely isn't now lol..
but i mean on the backside of the motherboard in the case, there was a pretty large opening for CPU area...
so i could see air escaping through the sides ( on the back side of mobo ) , but not anymore due to the wires.


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Quote (conetopia @ Apr 27 2020 09:30pm)
i5 3570k

also Before this entire issue

Speccy said
Before
cpu 33-34c to 54-55c at game load
GPU 62c to 69c at game load

After cable re-management from front side, blocking video card, re-routed to backside of motherboard/case
( doesn't help the situation of testing) Removed cpu heatsink to rotate it 90 degree's. to remove plastic clip for wire away from ram card.
noticed cpu paste was flakey... when re-attaching
Speccy said
Cpu 72-78c just at idle
gpu 64c just at idle

after I used Corsair TM30 ( medium-large Pea size ) pressed pretty hard on the heatsink to lock it into place, so pretty sure it spread
Only concern was I cleaned old stuff of with a (Ziess) brand lens cleaning wipe, that has alcohol in it, as all the stores are sold out of rubbing alcohol.
ran computer for about 4 hours , turned it off for 45 mins, turned it on for 3 hours, turned it off for 30-40 mins.. now left the computer on all day.

Temps for the first half hour were up and down like crazy.... but it settled after awhile...
Now idles at
CPU 57c , 67 at game load
GPU Gpu 67 , 69 at game load.

I have noticed that my SSD drive has been 3c higher than usual...
also my motherboard always seems to be 5-6c higher than my cpu now?
when as before it was normally 1-2 c lower?

So does this mean i applied the paste wrong, or should not have used the lens wipe?
or does this mean that the air flow for the back side of the case is no longer there?
not that i would think there would be air flow, but if there was there definitely isn't now lol..
but i mean on the backside of the motherboard in the case, there was a pretty large opening for CPU area...
so i could see air escaping through the sides ( on the back side of mobo ) , but not anymore due to the wires.






Believe it or not... you use isopropyl alcohol and a coffee filter, to clean off the old paste from both the CPU and the bottom of the cooler. (coffee filters are lint free and fairly sturdy)
[I don't know what else they put on lens wipes, so I can't comment on that. Probably OK, but who knows]
You can get Isopropuyl alcohol (90%+) at any drug store... it's like $3 for a quart. There's a video in my profile about how thermal paste... spreads. I would use the small X or the large pea sized blob.


The reason I asked what CPU was that if that was an AMD chip from the same era...it would be near to melting. Intel could run a bit hotter though.

For the vid card...use MSI Afterburner (free) to set a fan curve for the GPU to keep the load temp at about 60C. The cables being messy won't really affect the temps.
Also, since it's getting warmer, keep an eye on the room temp. The comp can't get lower temps than the room.

Last of all...clean all the dust off the (filters, if you have any), the fans, the heatsinks, etc. <----This will help with the temps.




/e Found one on Amazon...but it's like $15... probably because of coronavirus. :/

https://www.amazon.com/Isopropyl-Alcohol-99-Technical-Grade/dp/B0878CW4ML/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=isopropyl%20alcohol&qid=1588040758&sr=8-3



/ee This is the stuff I use, but ofc it's out of stock. :/

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-91-Isopropyl-Alcohol-Antiseptic-32-fl-oz/276040459

You want 90% or better. Any % lower than that has too much water in it.

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delid and use LQ for 3k series.
temps will drop 20+ C
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You want 90% or better. Any % lower than that has too much water in it.

I went to wal-mart, walgreens, 7x nearest kwik trips, any place that might sell first aid kits ect..
everyone is sold out of rubbing alcohol b/c of the stupid corona virus, b/c people want to make Home-made hand sanatiser... which has nothing to do with the corona virus....
but anyways...

yeah the lens wipes, i think these ones had too much water in them, because i know they are leaving like a water/bubble faint residue on my glasses, but just got these new expensive ass glasses, but instead of glass they feel like cheap ass plastic...
so i wasn't sure if it was my glasses or just bad quality wipes... could of been something made during the winter... and was probbably frozen wipes lawl.

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Quote (conetopia @ Apr 28 2020 07:23am)
I went to wal-mart, walgreens, 7x nearest kwik trips, any place that might sell first aid kits ect..
everyone is sold out of rubbing alcohol b/c of the stupid corona virus, b/c people want to make Home-made hand sanatiser... which has nothing to do with the corona virus....
but anyways...

yeah the lens wipes, i think these ones had too much water in them, because i know they are leaving like a water/bubble faint residue on my glasses, but just got these new expensive ass glasses, but instead of glass they feel like cheap ass plastic...
so i wasn't sure if it was my glasses or just bad quality wipes... could of been something made during the winter... and was probbably frozen wipes lawl.




Well, the lens wipes were "probably" OK. The reason we use Isopropyl is that it dries fast, it doesn't conduct electricity, and it leave zero, even microscopic residue.

Arctic Clean also makes a kit for this...
https://www.amazon.com/ArctiClean-60ml-Kit-30ml/dp/B0007TOR08



As Art mentioned... delidding the CPU is the best way to lower temps for that generation of Intel CPUs. The actual 3570K CPU is very small. Like... 1/2" by 3/4". The large 2" x 2" thing you see is the IHS (integral heat spreader).
Delidding a CPU is the process of removing the IHC from the CPU's printed circuit board, so you can replace the "paste" Intel uses to conduct heat from the actual CPU... TO the IHS.

In the old days, and I believe on the latest CPUs Intel has gone back to soldering the IHS to the actual CPU. This transfers heat amazingly well. But for some reason, they stopped soldering the IHS to the CPU on processors like yours.

Removing the IHS is dangerous as you can destroy the CPU while doing so. Rockitcool has made little "kits" for IHS removal.

https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/rockit-88-lga-1155-delid-relid-kit



Then, you use this stuff to replace the cheap ass thermal paste Intel used...

https://www.amazon.com/Coollaboratory-Thermal-Compound-Processor-Heatsink/dp/B0039RY3MM



Quite a few folks have done this on here and around the world, and it definitely, seriously lowers the CPU temps... like 10-20C.
Your CPU is getting kind of old, so I would probably just consider upgrading to a modern build, one of these days. Something like... motherboard, CPU, RAM, and vid card.
The newer AMD CPUs are great substitutes for Intel, are just as fast, and are cheaper.

Ofc, this all depends on your budget, and needs.


Like I said above... there are a lot of things that will affect CPU temps. Thermal paste, dust, CPU cooler, case and it's fans and locations, room temps, any overclocking... etc.
As time goes by, the CPU manufacturers, aim for smaller die sizes, which also helps with CPU temps.

Without knowing all your comp specs, it's hard to recommend a plan forward. But these days you can get some great CPUs for similar prices...and even great builds for less than $1000.
It all depends on your budget and your needs.

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