So, the Ryzens came out- which ultimately, and as an AMD fan- of my $400 computer running an FX 8350. I have to say- was a failure.
(Before anyone asks, I got my FX 8350 for $75(BestBuy Black Friday sale), my GTX 1060 3gb for $160, motherboard for $60, and other components for the remaining)

The price point for Ryzens even at low-end is still too much for price per performance.

Because of the release of the Ryzen 1500+, the competitor(intel) has lowered their prices just ever so slightly to make even budget gaming intel only.

You cannot get the performance you need from AMD.

I am currently stuck with my 2 year old PC, which I comfortably build for originally $400, and upgraded it with a 1060 and sold my 750 ti for about $500 total. Getting my 1060 3gb onsale and factory refurbished for ~$160.

If I am to upgrade my computer- which CANNOT run PUBG at higher than 30 frames due to the FX-8350's POOR performance(and yes, I understand the game is unoptimized- but if it's stream-able on an i7 2400s that is a ridiculous statement of comparison) - I am NEVER looking at a Ryzen.

For the price-point it just makes sense to get something that is BETTER than a Ryzen 1500x, AND cheaper

The i3-7350k

and if I want a beefier CPU, why would I not just pick up an i5-2550k. Proven to work, doesn't require a $100 motherboard, and isn't limited to DDR4- which makes upgrading a pain if you already have your 16gb of DDR3, because now you have to sell half of your system instead of selling your motherboard + CPU- which is 10 billion times easier.

So if you're an AMD fan, you can't lie to yourself about not being impressed with Ryzen. The price has to come down. The 1800x is competing with nothing, it's strictly worse at that value than any intel cpu at similar or even lower price. Why not spend $100 less and get that i7 6700k for no risk. Why not get that i5 7600k for $200 less and be at the same performance.



This post was edited by d2jspNA on May 20 2017 05:26am

basically everything you said is false, comparing a garbage outdated second hand price/perf chips everyone is selling for pennies to desperately try to get rid like the fx chips to a new platform is fallacious in itself, I could pick up Pentium D's for like $1-$2 on ebay and that would blow away every ryzen and intel chip currently on sale in price/perf.

The vast majority of consumers buy in the $200-$350 range when it comes to cpu's so I hardly see how people who buy $75 cpu's not considering ryzen hurts AMD anyway, they're offering a premium product now not a welfare housefire chip that had to sell for the same price it cost them to make for anyone to want because of how bad they were.

Anyway here's 99 more reasons you're wrong, including the dismantling of your precious 5ghz 7600k by an even cheaper ryzen chip.







This post was edited by DCSS on May 20 2017 05:55am

Tom's Hardware, biased for AMD Sponsorships since 2k10, nice source.

https://i.imgur.com/P9lIR4J.png

https://i.imgur.com/RaDKcV6.png

https://i.imgur.com/1pFNg0x.png

https://i.imgur.com/Igh3EMh.png

https://i.imgur.com/2hWV492.png

https://i.imgur.com/uGIbnqB.png

https://i.imgur.com/m7l4RCh.png

https://i.imgur.com/kjClfgz.png

https://i.imgur.com/TZtLZpd.png singlecore=only thing that matters for gaming. slow cores = stutter

This post was edited by d2jspNA on May 20 2017 06:08am

i think the best thing about your use of a single site that only deals in one set of synthetic tests is that you've carefully cropped it so that only that nebulous 'effective speed' number is visible. Scrolling down shows a very different story where the ryzen chips are slightly behind in single core but ludicrously ahead in multi core. Even with the 1800x vs 7600k which you claim are equal in performance it's something like 2.5x higher for amd.

At least I've provided real world use cases.



Yeah as you've proven with these video game benchmarks you have linked images of. Just look at all that dreadful stutter you've proven exists.

the i5 can max itself out to reach the same fps a ryzen 7 needs 35-40% utilization to achieve. But sure, they are equal. In the same sense that an i3-7350k is equal to a 7700k and better than a 6900k because of its minecraft TNT fps

This post was edited by DCSS on May 20 2017 06:24am

look at all that stuttering ryzen does

only an AMD shill wouldn't trade 2 cores 8 threads and SMT for that sweet sweet 2 fps:



and just for fun:





AMD should just file for bankruptcy it's over, Ryzen is a bigger flop than bulldozer.

This post was edited by DCSS on May 20 2017 07:03am

They're both fine.
Everyone still getting their jimmies rustled.

Get ryzen if you can't afford a 7700k and don't have use for heavily multi threaded work loads.

I had the choice to go ryzen vs 7700k, opted for the 7700k but if I had the same choice and ryzen 2 was out, I probably would have went with that instead.

/E you're dumb if you're considering the unlocked i3
A used k sku will out perform the i3

This post was edited by Penguins0690 on May 22 2017 12:57am

Get ryzen if you can't afford 7700k.....


Wat they're the same price

Depends on what version lol

The comparable one