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Jul 30 2015 05:06am
Ok here is the situation. I have 2 motherboards, one is a gigabyte ga-z77x-d3h and the other is an msi z77-ga. I have a 2570k with 8gb of ram and a 970. Both mobo bioses are up to date.

Here is the issue:
My gigabyte board pci-e slots no longer work with the exception of the pcie2x4. It works with the i5, my 970 and the ram, just the 970 has to be in the pci-e2x4 for the system to boot into windows. The system goes through 4 boot loops before it successfully loads windows. What happens is the board will try and boot with the old (and most likely corrupt) bios (I can tell because it is the old uefi and the old logo) and keeps looping until it gets the newest bios. It then loads into windows. So, because this is a dual bios board, I am thinking that the 1st bios (older version) is corrupt, and therefor either fucked my pcie gen 3 lanes OR there is some sort of hardware issue.

But here is where it gets interesting:

On my other motherboard, the msi, the i5 just refuses to boot. The computer powers on for half a second, the fans spin one revolution and it shuts back off. And keeps repeating. Once I throw a celeron that I have into the msi board (along with the same ram and 970) the fucking board works just fine. Obviously my 3570k works, as proven by the gigabyte board, but it will not work on the msi board. Neither boards have any bent pins and have been maintained very well as far as dust goes.

When I went to file for an RMA with msi (the msi board is the one I want to use in the end) they tried to convince me that my processor was dead even though I told them that it is in the computer that I am live chatting them on right now. I have a couple questions below:

1. What could the problem with the gigabyte board be? bad bios and pcie lanes?
2. Why would the MSI board not boot with the i5 but it will with the celeron?
3. Would it be worth sending the MSI board back in for an RMA? Can they even replicate my problem?
4. Anyone wanna send me a z75/z77 board? <3

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Jul 30 2015 09:51am
Quote (EndÇar @ Jul 30 2015 06:06am)
Ok here is the situation. I have 2 motherboards, one is a gigabyte ga-z77x-d3h and the other is an msi z77-ga. I have a 2570k with 8gb of ram and a 970. Both mobo bioses are up to date.

Here is the issue:
My gigabyte board pci-e slots no longer work with the exception of the pcie2x4. It works with the i5, my 970 and the ram, just the 970 has to be in the pci-e2x4 for the system to boot into windows. The system goes through 4 boot loops before it successfully loads windows. What happens is the board will try and boot with the old (and most likely corrupt) bios (I can tell because it is the old uefi and the old logo) and keeps looping until it gets the newest bios. It then loads into windows. So, because this is a dual bios board, I am thinking that the 1st bios (older version) is corrupt, and therefor either fucked my pcie gen 3 lanes OR there is some sort of hardware issue.

But here is where it gets interesting:

On my other motherboard, the msi, the i5 just refuses to boot. The computer powers on for half a second, the fans spin one revolution and it shuts back off. And keeps repeating. Once I throw a celeron that I have into the msi board (along with the same ram and 970) the fucking board works just fine. Obviously my 3570k works, as proven by the gigabyte board, but it will not work on the msi board. Neither boards have any bent pins and have been maintained very well as far as dust goes.

When I went to file for an RMA with msi (the msi board is the one I want to use in the end) they tried to convince me that my processor was dead even though I told them that it is in the computer that I am live chatting them on right now. I have a couple questions below:

1. What could the problem with the gigabyte board be? bad bios and pcie lanes?
2. Why would the MSI board not boot with the i5 but it will with the celeron?
3. Would it be worth sending the MSI board back in for an RMA? Can they even replicate my problem?
4. Anyone wanna send me a z75/z77 board? <3

Very interesting problem you have.
I assume you are using two separate cases and two separate power supplies?

First, look very , very closely at the board. Look for singed resistors, out bulging capacitors, or exposed wiring. If any are discovered, you've got grounds for an RMA. A hardware malfunction like that does not necessarily mean the computer will never boot again. In some cases it can continue to function until the right conditions are met.

Do you hear any beep codes?
Do the boards have the tiny button speaker? Nowadays, some out most don't! If they do not have one, they will have the pins for one. They can be bought for less than a dollar. Or a pc repair shop might just give you one from the trash heap.
In the day, we used to use POST cards to diagnose mobo boot issues. See if you can get your hands on one. They are cheap and might come in handy later.
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Jul 30 2015 02:23pm
Quote (Gothmog_Lord_of_Balrogs @ Jul 30 2015 09:51am)
Very interesting problem you have.
I assume you are using two separate cases and two separate power supplies?

First, look very , very closely at the board. Look for singed resistors, out bulging capacitors, or exposed wiring. If any are discovered, you've got grounds for an RMA. A hardware malfunction like that does not necessarily mean the computer will never boot again. In some cases it can continue to function until the right conditions are met.

Do you hear any beep codes?
Do the boards have the tiny button speaker? Nowadays, some out most don't! If they do not have one, they will have the pins for one. They can be bought for less than a dollar. Or a pc repair shop might just give you one from the trash heap.
In the day, we used to use POST cards to diagnose mobo boot issues. See if you can get your hands on one. They are cheap and might come in handy later.



Thanks for the response!

I use the same case, same power supply. My case is a HAF XB so literally I just pull out the mobo tray and swap everything. I inspected the msi board and found no damage. I also keep the cpu socket cover in, just to eliminate any problems.

So, could it be a power delivery problem with anything over thw ~50w the celeron uses? because literally the exact same things work with the gigabyte board.

Also, what are your opinions on the gigabyte board?
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Jul 30 2015 04:45pm
Quote (EndOfWar @ Jul 30 2015 03:23pm)
Thanks for the response!

I use the same case, same power supply. My case is a HAF XB so literally I just pull out the mobo tray and swap everything. I inspected the msi board and found no damage. I also keep the cpu socket cover in, just to eliminate any problems.

So, could it be a power delivery problem with anything over thw ~50w the celeron uses? because literally the exact same things work with the gigabyte board.

Also, what are your opinions on the gigabyte board?


Honestly, ive never come across a dual-bios board. interesting concept. sounds like it has some bugs though :P

Have you looked for the mobo speaker?
All boards should have the pin header. only 2 pins, so vveerryy tiny.
That PC speaker will give you the beep code. the beep code can be looked up by mobo manufacturer, MSI and Giga. should have them listed in their manual. if they dont look online for the "service manual" normally much more technical in nature, and should be around 20 pages.

there is a code for bad ram, like bleep bleep.
code for bad processor seat, beeeeeeeeeeep beep.
etc.

Otherwise the hard part (if you dont want to get yourself a P.O.S.T. card) is swap out components, 1 by 1.

Check your temperatures also.. get HWmonitor by CPU-Z guys.
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Jul 30 2015 04:57pm
The MSI board has a build in speaker, right next to the pcie slot if I am mistaken. Check the pictures here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130647

Nothing beeps. I am assuming its a power delivery failure with the i5 because the speaker doesn't make ANY noise with the i5 in it.

This post was edited by EndOfWar on Jul 30 2015 04:59pm
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Jul 30 2015 06:15pm
Quote (Gothmog_Lord_of_Balrogs @ 30 Jul 2015 16:45)
Honestly, ive never come across a dual-bios board. interesting concept. sounds like it has some bugs though :P

Have you looked for the mobo speaker?
All boards should have the pin header. only 2 pins, so vveerryy tiny.
That PC speaker will give you the beep code. the beep code can be looked up by mobo manufacturer, MSI and Giga. should have them listed in their manual. if they dont look online for the "service manual" normally much more technical in nature, and should be around 20 pages.

there is a code for bad ram, like bleep bleep.
code for bad processor seat, beeeeeeeeeeep beep.
etc.

Otherwise the hard part (if you dont want to get yourself a P.O.S.T. card) is swap out components, 1 by 1.

Check your temperatures also.. get HWmonitor by CPU-Z guys.


Lots of boards are dual bios now. So are most of the newer GPUs. Hooray for the consumer!!
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Jul 30 2015 11:39pm
Quote (NinjaSushi2 @ Jul 30 2015 06:15pm)
Lots of boards are dual bios now. So are most of the newer GPUs. Hooray for the consumer!!


Yeah, except when the shit corrupts lol.
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