then nvm what i said about OC, cuz ur still not getting my point. Clearly the people that use benchmarks with full understanding benefits from itrather than people who has no clue. ( <-- main point here, casuals don't understand benchmarks aside from "a is better than b based on the graphs")
Here's another example, OP wanted to get 8350 to upgrade from 6300, which he would have purchased if he just looked at benchmarks, but no, he was smart enough find out that the upgrade isn't worth it through his own research and wanted more opinions on here. (but sure he would've got the better CPU had he purchased it)
However, based on benchmarks again, he wanted to get 8350 over 8320 cos the graph showed 8350 is better. (ofc it is, everyone knows that, but by how much? <-- hardest part for casuals to understand?)
cos OP understood 6300 - > 8350 not worth, but 8320 --> 8350 worth. Should be the opposite if anything.

what would a casual choose to do if they were explained this way?
have lesser performance you won't notice with your naked eyes, with a cooler CPU, quieter fan, with the option to OC in the future
or
have a slightly better performance you won't notice with your naked eyes, with a stock AMD fan that's louder, hotter CPU and without the option to OC.

now, what would a casual choose to do if they just saw a benchmark between 8320 / 8350 without the explanation above?

This post was edited by Secksii on Dec 21 2014 04:09am

I think you dont get it

A casual would choose the 8350 cuz A CASUAL DONT THINK ABOUT OVERCLOCKING, like stated before very large majority of users dont overclock and never will,(wait forget overclocking but lets add it in again)

now if they are comfortable with it and if they done their own research they would be getting the 8320

but we are talking about casuals, so we are talking about stock settings and in that case 8350 it is

with your logic you should recommend 4690 non k version for many builds just to save the 10 bucks, btw 4690 can hit 4.8 just like the k version too, just because it doesnt have the ez multiplier its still overclockable

this is why the sticky has the question of overclocking

I still find it funny you are so against the collection of data

also why did you go from fx to i5?

I originally was going to choose the 8350 based on benchmarks but then I did realize it's not as big of an upgrade as I hoped it would've been.

Maybe I'll look into overclocking my 6300 once I get the 212 Evo. Any good reads in particular on the intrawebs?

I explained it pretty much
what would a casual choose to do if they were explained this way?
have lesser performance you won't notice with your naked eyes, with a cooler CPU, quieter fan, with the option to OC in the future
or
have a slightly better performance you won't notice with your naked eyes, with a stock AMD fan that's louder, hotter CPU and without the option to OC.

now, what would a casual choose to do if they just saw a benchmark between 8320 / 8350 without the explanation above?

reason we recommend 4690k over non-k is $10 difference, as to amd's $30-35.
i went from fx to i5, is cos like i already said, fx 8350 is 169.99, + 30 on a cooler (even if ur not OCing) = $200. pay $20 more for 4690k, profit??
vs. 8320e/20 is $130-135 + 30 on cooler, (even if ur not OCing) = 160-65?.

and yea, we are talking about casuals, which is what im saying, since they lack knowledge, a benchmark graph they see is just mere barz that show which is better by default (BUT BY HOW MUCH?) <-- IS IT WORTH $30 FOR NO DIFFERENCE IRL? IS IT WORTH SAVING $30 FOR A CPU COOLER? 8350 vs 8320 on benchmarks show more of a difference than 4690k/4690 for $10 difference.
for the 69th time, i'm not against collection of data. I'm against the idea of people using benchmarks without fully understanding it. All they see is "graph A is better than graph B, so I am getting A"
exactly what the OP saw when he first saw the benchmarks, he planned to get 8350. Until he read comments of few people, and realized it's not really worth. Benchmarks didn't tell him shit, other than 8350 is better than 8320/6300. which is true, but by how much irl?

So basically I go into my BIOS settings and up the multiplier? I think I've changed a few settings in my BIOS but I forget which. I also read everything else should be set back to default before overclocking.



Casual PC users don't know the difference until someone tells them they can buy an FX-6300 and OC to a 8350. That's what benchmarks are for. People don't see beyond the benchmark like you do. People don't see beyond the bar and go, "It looks like I can overclock a cheaper CPU + cooler to the same speed as a higher power consuming CPU. Let's do that!". Benchmarks tell a casual user, "Hey, this CPU performs like this out of the box". Not, "Hey, this CPU performs this well but you should buy the other CPU that performs less, buy a cooler, overclock it, to surpass the original CPU you wanted".



This post was edited by amej8 on Dec 21 2014 01:44pm

Exactly my point lol. aka. "dis is why benchmarks are derpy. A lot of people dun know what they are seeing aside from colorful barz!" Which is common for casuals.
they just know that graph A is better than graph B, so i am getting A.

and yes, if you got that 212 evo, just change the cpu freq. to 40-45, 40 being more than safe, 45+ you may need to use stressing programs to see if it's stable or not.
make sure you have the turbo function off too.

This post was edited by Secksii on Dec 21 2014 02:04pm

I didn't read y'alls summarized version of War and Peace but you both suck.

Benchmarks are only derpy for computer saavy people, which casual users aren't. You were arguing based on your personal opinion on benchmarks. Benchmarks serve a useful purpose for people that don't see beyond the purpose of a benchmark.


This post was edited by amej8 on Dec 21 2014 02:31pm

lol benchmarks serve a purpose for saavy users also
there are benchmarks that show overclocked results
some reviews show more detailed results of the silicon lottery also

seski
and again you talk about overclocking, you are asking people to get educated/spending time on something they are uncomfortable with or might not care to do,