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May 21 2013 05:40pm
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Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 01:56pm)
Well the one I posted (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/508?vs=555) is definitely reliable, more so than Passmark :P and it was a direct comparison of base 680 vs base 7970 (the ones in our builds).

680 came out on top overall, 7970 had its moments though! If I were doing an absolute budget build, I could reduce the cost of my build by $40 and choose the 7970 without sweating it.

But in our current builds, there is room for the slight upgrade with the 680, so that's why I chose it.

I have the exact same price as Dolar's, with higher performance, and more power for future OC/upgrades (and you'd be hard pressed to power that 7970 on a 500w PSU, as the 7970 sucks way more power than the gtx 680).


shogun , batman , portal 2 , bf3 , sc2 , skyrim , civilisation V are the games that it's better in your link.
but who plays those games? except bf3 & sc2 , i doubt there's plenty of people playing those games.

there's also a problem , the resolution isn't the 1920 x 1080 ( which i expect the screen resolution to be) in any benchmarks, so we're back to step 1.

Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 02:24pm)
That is interesting, but overall the 680 prevailed: (from the article)


the electricity bill will go up by 20$ tops by the end of the year, that means 2 pizzas less per year :rofl:
Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 01:35pm)
Well.. As of now, both of my builds are superior, and OP should pay close attention to who he listens to on this subforum because a lot of you are useless trolls. Only two people I respect on here thus far are Dolar and Urbanshaft (urban because he's been around here a LONG LONG time).

Awaiting Dolar's new builds though, as I'm sure he'll be able to do very well improving on some of the parts I did better on.


i'm not going to bother making a pc part picker build. my pc part picker builds are never serious, i just do them for people that really insist on that.

Quote (EpicDude @ May 21 2013 06:19pm)
Update :
Buying on May 22th. *Last day of the sales
Since theres a two way option going on here, I'd like to list some more specific uses/details here.

#1. I would put Gaming Performance First

#2. OverClock 2 day/ week (not so important)
#3. Streaming 3day/week  (not so important)

#4. Buying with ME (memory express) because it has 25% price beat
#5. Case doesnt really matter, Good air flow, see through, Cheap, LED light would be great

#6. Balance Rig. Not planning on Crossfire it.
#7. 12% tax in Canada

#8. already owned 24" and 27" Samsung Screen
#9. keyboard, mouse, Headset is excluded on the budget

#10. Thank You So Much for Helping me out guys! Competition always gives the best result. But please be peaceful with it. Don't overwork for a stranger on the internet. :)




change the power supply to this one if you don't mind having a non modular power supply : http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX41859
do some research to pricebeat the parts.
if you save 40$ + , change the power supply to this one : http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37754 if you're not confident enough that 500w will provide enough power.
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May 21 2013 05:58pm
killer gpu, a reference design 680 (like the scrub recommends) will not beat this card out overall.

hate the case though.
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May 21 2013 07:48pm
Quote (dolarsignzeroxeighty @ May 21 2013 07:49pm)
shogun , batman , portal 2 , bf3 , sc2 , skyrim , civilisation V are the games that it's better in your link.
but who plays those games? except bf3 & sc2 , i doubt there's plenty of people playing those games.

there's also a problem , the resolution isn't the 1920 x 1080 ( which i expect the screen resolution to be) in any benchmarks, so we're back to step 1.



the electricity bill will go up by 20$ tops by the end of the year,  that means 2 pizzas less per year :rofl:

i'm not going to bother making a pc part picker build. my pc part picker builds are never serious, i just do them for people that really insist on that.



http://i.imgur.com/iY0t7Qs.png

change the power supply to this one if you don't mind having a non modular power supply : http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX41859
do some research to pricebeat the parts.
if you save 40$ + , change the power supply to this one : http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37754 if you're not confident enough that 500w will provide enough power.


Your points were all political runarounds on reponses 1-3... You never provided any proof and wtf are you talking about them not testing in 1080p? Why does it have to be exact? They literally tested all of the following: 1680x1050, 1920x1200, 2560x1600, 5760x1200.

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shogun , batman , portal 2 , bf3 , sc2 , skyrim , civilisation V
are absolutely fine for benchmarking... The GTX 680 literally won on everything that's important and you know it. You aren't arguing to improve on this discussion, you're arguing to try and win some shitty competition that only exists in your head. OP will be the one who loses in this instance, because of your arrogance.

The 7970 ONLY WON on: Crysis:Warhead, Dirt 3, and Metro 2033. How many people play those 3 games versus BF3, Skyrim, Starcraft 2, Portal 2, Arkham City, Civ 5, and Total War: Shogun 2 at EVERY SINGLE RESOLUTION.



@ Your build:
Case is bad
Paying too much for mobo
Overpaying for the brand on the PSU, can get a higher wattage at that price with same certifications
With the money you save from the above 3 comments, you upgrade from 7970 -> GTX 680
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May 21 2013 08:26pm
Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 09:48pm)
Your points were all political runarounds on reponses 1-3... You never provided any proof and wtf are you talking about them not testing in 1080p? Why does it have to be exact? They literally tested all of the following:  1680x1050, 1920x1200, 2560x1600, 5760x1200.


i don't need to show proof, i'm not the one convincing that the gtx 680 is better then the 7970.
the fps varies allot in different resolutions... check dirt 3 for example in your link.

Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 09:48pm)
The GTX 680 literally won on everything that's important and you know it. You aren't arguing to improve on this discussion, you're arguing to try and win some shitty competition that only exists in your head. OP will be the one who loses in this instance, because of your arrogance.

The 7970 ONLY WON on: Crysis:Warhead, Dirt 3, and Metro 2033. How many people play those 3 games versus BF3, Skyrim, Starcraft 2, Portal 2, Arkham City, Civ 5, and Total War: Shogun 2 at EVERY SINGLE RESOLUTION.


that type of argument i bolded isn't an argument , it's you trying to influence me. i'm not interested in getting influenced.
Your social attack is funny , tho, as you're trying to play with my emotions to make me feel bad about myself & try to make me look like the devil to the others.
your benchmarks aren't good also , since yours don't have the same clock speed then the 7970 i have in & for the same resolution problem i stated.
btw , the gtx 680 is more expensive then the 7970, if you're looking to say it's better , i don't mind , but is it worth the price difference on OP's resolution?

Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 09:48pm)

@ Your build:
Case is bad
Paying too much for mobo
Overpaying for the brand on the PSU, can get a higher wattage at that price with same certifications
With the money you save from the above 3 comments, you upgrade from 7970 -> GTX 680


what's wrong with the case?
he can pricebeat the motherboard.
you forgot to read the part where it's modular. certifications on power supply don't mean much & i'd rather buy something from a reputable brand then a brand i don't know, since it can kill all your components in your build if you don't have a good one.
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May 21 2013 08:39pm
Quote (dolarsignzeroxeighty @ May 21 2013 10:26pm)
i don't need to show proof, i'm not the one convincing that the gtx 680 is better then the 7970.
the fps varies allot in different resolutions... check dirt 3 for example in your link.



that type of argument i bolded isn't an argument , it's you trying to influence me.  i'm not interested in getting influenced.
Your social attack is funny , tho, as you're trying to play with my emotions to make me feel bad about myself & try to make me look like the devil to the others.
your benchmarks aren't good also , since yours don't have the same clock speed then the 7970 i have in & for the same resolution problem i stated.
btw , the gtx 680 is more expensive then the 7970, if you're looking to say it's better , i don't mind , but is it worth the price difference on OP's resolution?



what's wrong with the case?
he can pricebeat the motherboard.
you forgot to read the part where it's modular.  certifications on power supply don't mean much & i'd rather buy something from a reputable brand then a brand i don't know, since it can kill all your components in your build if you don't have a good one.


You do too need proof. I have provided proof in my favor, you have not. As of now you are wrong about the GPU, and who fucking cares if the PSU is modular? Certifications aren't just passed out wildy, you can't try debunking my build by saying "certifications don't matter." That's so utterly and importantly WRONG of you.

The case is inferior to others for less money.... Zalman's good parts are CPU coolers...

I'm not making personal attacks, not trying to make you look like the devil... You truly lack social intuition don't you?
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May 21 2013 08:46pm
Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 09:48pm)
@ Your build:
Case is bad
Paying too much for mobo
Overpaying for the brand on the PSU, can get a higher wattage at that price with same certifications
With the money you save from the above 3 comments, you upgrade from 7970 -> GTX 680

Nothing wrong with the case.
Nothing wrong with the price of the mobo either. The Extreme3 needs a BIOS update to support the 8350. If you did your homework, you'd know that.
500w is more than enough to run the system. Being modular is even better.
I'd pick the 7970 over the 680 simply because you can't eyeball the difference between either card in games. If you can, you're a fucking liar.

This post was edited by VVR4ITH on May 21 2013 08:51pm
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May 21 2013 08:55pm
Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 10:39pm)
You do too need proof. I have provided proof in my favor, you have not. As of now you are wrong about the GPU, and who fucking cares if the PSU is modular? Certifications aren't just passed out wildy, you can't try debunking my build by saying "certifications don't matter." That's so utterly and importantly WRONG of you.


well i don't have any intentions of opening a google page to look for which graphics card is better, here's what i can give you : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gtx+680+vs+HD+7970+1080p+benchmark
here's why i don't believe in power supply ratings : http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Extreme-2-475-W-Power-Supply-Review/1550/11
also , i mentioned another possibility for the power supply if the op doesn't want a modular one :)

Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 10:39pm)
The case is inferior to others for less money.... Zalman's good parts are CPU coolers...

I'm not making personal attacks, not trying to make you look like the devil... You truly lack social intuition don't you?


elaborate why it's inferior to others for less money?

are you sure you're not trying to make me look like the devil? because this looks like it :
Quote (Mitchymo @ May 21 2013 09:48pm)
The GTX 680 literally won on everything that's important and you know it. You aren't arguing to improve on this discussion, you're arguing to try and win some shitty competition that only exists in your head. OP will be the one who loses in this instance, because of your arrogance.


I have high standards.
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May 22 2013 02:49am
The quality of people around here currently is a joke.

Here's a build i just made, similar components.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/Z2km

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Quote (Battleship @ May 22 2013 03:49am)
The quality of people around here currently is a joke.

Here's a build i just made, similar components.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/Z2km


Noice. you could probably get cheaper low profile ram and psu. Btw, newegg canada is giving 8gb ram with selected motherboards.
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