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Feb 23 2016 06:28pm
Quote (itzpookiie @ Feb 24 2016 01:10am)
Are you seriously saying half the temp is not worth extra $50?? lol

Well a 980ti costs like 600. Meaning that you need about 8% performance benefit to make it worth it from a economic point of view. Lets wait for the test result and see.
But if the last 50MHz you can get out of your card is worth a price premium to any individual... well i cant judge that.

Also a cooler card does not mean in produces less heat. It simply means that the cooling is more efficiant in getting the heat away from the card into the surrounding area. Good for small form factors. Marginal benefit in regular cases.

This post was edited by maulepan on Feb 23 2016 06:30pm
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Feb 23 2016 06:49pm
Quote (maulepan @ Feb 23 2016 07:28pm)
Well a 980ti costs like 600. Meaning that you need about 8% performance benefit to make it worth it from a economic point of view. Lets wait for the test result and see.
But if the last 50MHz you can get out of your card is worth a price premium to any individual... well i cant judge that.

Also a cooler card does not mean in produces less heat. It simply means that the cooling is more efficiant in getting the heat away from the card into the surrounding area. Good for small form factors. Marginal benefit in regular cases.


Stop posting already.

It's not a matter of economics. Plain and simple. If you need to justify the cost of cooling or any part of a PC then you should pick a new hobby. Telling people liquid cooling is a waste of money is quite ridiculous.

For example at 4.6 GHz clock in my CPU my idle temps are 47C but at 100% load I barely reach 70C. Why? Water cooling. Same as for a GPU. If you can maintain a good temp between idle and load then it stresses the card less. This is why they sell liquid cooling it's more than just for looks.
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Feb 24 2016 03:09am
Quote (maulepan @ Feb 23 2016 03:26pm)
2 questions...
First: What exactly is the benefit of your card running at 45C?? The overclock on watercooled grafic cards is not that much better then on air cooled ones.
Second: How exactly is a cooler grafic card make your "room" run cooler???

EDIT: Also why would a air cooled grafic card heat up your other components. You usually have the exhaust fan right over the grafic card to remove the hot air from the case.
The overclock is much better on a water cooled card, on a water cooled 980Ti, you can hit 1500Mhz without a hitch and hit 1600Mhz most of the time.
The cooler gfx card won't make his room cooler, I agree with that.
Air cooled card will have some residual heat around it so it can heat up other components a little but not by much where it makes a difference that will affect the system as long as you have good air flow in your system.

Quote (maulepan @ Feb 23 2016 03:52pm)
If your GPU blows hot air into your CPU then you set up a terrible airflow. That is a problem that should only occur in mini-ITX cases but not in regular mid-towers
Also longevity? These chips are build to operate at high temperatures. The GTX 970 is rated until 98C.
But i give you the more stable overclock, also sadly it is not that much. Watercooling only starts to shine when you run more then one GPU.

EDIT: But we dont have to argue about it now. He will post his results tomorrow and then we can compare it to a regular air cooled card.
Lol, it makes the exact same difference with one card or three cards.
The possible overclock is much more then you think. Also, even if the card is rated to operate at a higher temperature, it is better if it doesn't run as hot as it can, it will last longer.

Quote (itzpookiie @ Feb 23 2016 04:10pm)
If something produces less heat overall wouldnt that mean everything in and around it will also have less heat?
Even if I have good airflow, less heat means less heat
Question
Does more heat with good airflow run cooler than less heat with good airflow?
Why would you let it run at 78C normally when you can run it at 40c?
Are you seriously saying less temp overall is not worth extra $50?? lol
Less heat is always good.
Is it worth the $50, it depends on what you plan to do with it. If you don't plan to overclock at all, then not worth it.

Quote (maulepan @ Feb 23 2016 04:28pm)
Well a 980ti costs like 600. Meaning that you need about 8% performance benefit to make it worth it from a economic point of view. Lets wait for the test result and see.
But if the last 50MHz you can get out of your card is worth a price premium to any individual... well i cant judge that.

Also a cooler card does not mean in produces less heat. It simply means that the cooling is more efficiant in getting the heat away from the card into the surrounding area. Good for small form factors. Marginal benefit in regular cases.
You don't only need to get 8% performance benefit, you got to factor in that the longevity of the card is higher as well, but you will get 10-20% performance increase as well.
50Mhz lol, you can achieve that with any card. And your right water cooled cards doesn't mean it produces less heat, it only means it is a lot more efficiently cooled.

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Feb 24 2016 04:38am
Card arrived, i installed it at work while i got some time.

gave it a fullmark test, at max load 1080p ultra it reached 55c, avg fps 650 Oo
will have to rework my cooling at the case, because the fan intakes hot air from cpu, might get it run cooler after.

will do some bechmarks when i get home

first impression is very good tho

i run the water cooling fan on 100% it reaches 1600 rpm and makes no noise at all!

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Feb 24 2016 05:28am
Quote (BigBalaBoom @ Feb 24 2016 02:38am)
Card arrived, i installed it at work while i got some time.

gave it a fullmark test, at max load 1080p ultra it reached 55c, avg fps 650 Oo
will have to rework my cooling at the case, because the fan intakes hot air from cpu, might get it run cooler after.

will do some bechmarks when i get home

first impression is very good tho

i run the water cooling fan on 100% it reaches 1600 rpm and makes no noise at all!


Install MSI After burner and set fan curves for your GPU, no need to have it running at full RPM all the time, especially on idle.
Also, what heatsink are you using for your CPU, if it's water cooled no hot air should be affecting your GPU at all if it's in the back of the case.
If you are running air cooling, it's possible that you are pulling a little hot air from your CPU heatsink since it's so close, but shouldn't affect it that much.
If you really want you can setup your GPU rad and fan at the top as an outake or you can set it up in the front as an intake.
55C is good under full load.
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Feb 24 2016 07:04am
Quote (Fr3nChi @ Feb 24 2016 01:28pm)
Install MSI After burner and set fan curves for your GPU, no need to have it running at full RPM all the time, especially on idle.
Also, what heatsink are you using for your CPU, if it's water cooled no hot air should be affecting your GPU at all if it's in the back of the case.
If you are running air cooling, it's possible that you are pulling a little hot air from your CPU heatsink since it's so close, but shouldn't affect it that much.
If you really want you can setup your GPU rad and fan at the top as an outake or you can set it up in the front as an intake.
55C is good under full load.


i ended up putting the fan infront of the case, got 2 fans pulling cold air into it so im good.

tried to play with OC a bit, did get it stable at 1500 mhz(on gaming), temps are good too, only increase by 5c at max settings on fulmark !

wonna go higher tho.

this new afterburner is a bit confusing as its going + voltage and not showing correct volt. gotta figure out whats up there.
the memmory is even worse lol

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Feb 24 2016 07:27am
Maulepan

Ambient temps are crucial especially when overclocking

Plus heat radiates on other side of the cards
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Feb 24 2016 08:04am
Quote (BigBalaBoom @ Feb 24 2016 05:04am)
i ended up putting the fan infront of the case, got 2 fans pulling cold air into it so im good.

tried to play with OC a bit, did get it stable at 1500 mhz(on gaming), temps are good too, only increase by 5c at max settings on fulmark !

wonna go higher tho.

this new afterburner is a bit confusing as its going + voltage and not showing correct volt. gotta figure out whats up there.
the memmory is even worse lol


ya 1500Mhz is easy no problem, you should be able to hit 1600Mhz as well, anything past 1600Mhz is difficult and need some fine tuning and small increases.

If after burner isn't working for you do some research and look for something that will.
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Feb 25 2016 08:50am
i decided to not overclock it, the card is far stronger then i though.

diablo 3/heroes of the storm
running on maximum settings 4k at stable fps with base clock.
(i5 4670 4.4 oc)


overclocking it to 1500 gave like 4 fps boost total, so i decided to keep it stock.


extremly impressed with temps, on gaming it didnt reach the 45c....

This post was edited by BigBalaBoom on Feb 25 2016 08:51am
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Feb 25 2016 09:53am
Quote (BigBalaBoom @ Feb 25 2016 09:50am)
i decided to not overclock it, the card is far stronger then i though.

diablo 3/heroes of the storm
running on maximum settings 4k at stable fps with base clock.
(i5 4670 4.4 oc)


overclocking it to 1500 gave like 4 fps boost total, so i decided to keep it stock.


extremly impressed with temps, on gaming it didnt reach the 45c....


Gpu dependant games would benefit
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