Quote (maulepan @ Feb 20 2016 02:15pm)
Okay. I really dont want to get into an argument with you but your post will just confuse a lot of people.
First i do agree on the aftermarket cooler. Since this is the build i am using i put a lot of thougth into it and i to use a aftermarket cooler. Only difference to stock cooling is that it runs a little quiter. Does not make any performance issue, but worth the 20$ to have it run quiter.
Second here is the thougth on the CPU:
I5 6500 runs at 3,4GHz and costs 200$
I5 6600 runs at 3.6GHz and costs 215$ (+0.2Ghz for 15$) worth it?
I5 6600K + (25$ more for a Z170 chipset) will run at about 4GHz air cooled and cost 275$ (+0.4GHz for 60$) worth it? twice as expensive as the 6500 to 6600 increase.
Ram Speed does not affect performance at all and i choose the sticks since thats the cheapest one that fitted the color theme.
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GPU clock speed does not matter. It is a overclocked GPU and you will increase the clock speed anyway as far as cooling allows it. So the basic clock does not matter. Both can run at about 1300 - 1350MHz.
Also the extra money on a Samsung SSD is not wasted. Sure you can save like 10$ by choosing a cheaper drive, but the Samsung Evo has a big advatange. First it has a 500MB cache and it comes with drivers that can reserve up to 4GB (if you have 16+GB) of your RAM as additional SSD Cache. (but i dont know what the internal 500MB cache is used for)
Nevertheless is your choice still a viable option. But your explanation are partly not correct.
-For CPU you can overclock to 3.8-4GHz, with stock cooling. I said easily as if it wouldn't affect heat at all probably 1-2 degrees max with the Evo.
-With the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO you can go up to 4.2-4.4Ghz easily if you know what you are doing and more if you know how to stress test your computer well enough and find the sweet spot.
With Youtube, you can find how to do this no problem. Plus you don't have to run overclocked all the time just when you need to.
-Spending $35 more for a 6600k which is a 3-5% increase on the whole system budget compared to 6600 is definitely worth is as your processor will gain more then 4-6% in performance and be able to do more in the future and you won't need to upgrade your system as fast.
No matter what I wouldn't recommend using a stock cooler for 6500, 6600, or 6600k. Using a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO will keep your CPU cooler and you will have a better longevity on your CPU.
Stock coolers are shit and more often then not will crap out on you or not perform as well as they should.
-RAM speed does effect performance, maybe not by very much that you would notice, but it depends on what you are doing. If you just picked the cheapest ones you found that matched the color, then you aren't looking well enough.
The RAM I picked is the same price, matches the color scheme, and is faster. So why are you even complaining in this matter.
-Mobo is $30 more, It is a full ATX board compared to your Mini ITX board.
It has 4 RAM slots compared to your 2 slots for future upgrade if he wants to add 2 more sticks.
It has more PCI-e slots compared to your one, which means nothing else can be added on your board other then a video card.
If 2-3yrs down the line let's say the PCI-E slot craps out he is fucked, with this mobo u have additional slots to use. (this is unlikely but just an example)
It has a better chipset Z170 compared to H170.
For $30 more which is an extra 3-5% increase for the full system budget it is well worth it.
-GPU clock speed does matter, yes it is the same GPU and can perform identically. However the cooling system on a OC'd GPU will let it push way more then the regular GPU as it will run cooler. This might not be a huge difference. Also, mine is $5 cheaper without Mail and Rebate and $15 more expensive with Mail and Rebate. Why wouldn't you use it...
-As for the SSD, I picked the same SSD anyways. I was saying if he wanted to save some money he could go for a cheaper SSD and honestly the difference is not very noticeable unless he is planing to run 2 SSD's in Raid 0.
Quote (Tricerahops @ Feb 20 2016 02:39pm)
Thank you for all the input guys! I can probably stretch the budget a little bit, so I'll take that into account. I really like hearing the reasoning between choices between different parts, so I'm open to more input...I just don't want to start a flame war if there are disagreements :P.
If you can stretch the budget, this system will last you a lot longer with lots of options to upgrade in the future, if you upgrade your video card later on and can't get rid of your card, you can use the GTX970 as a PhysX card which you wouldn't be able to do with the other motherboard, also you can just add a 2nd GTX970 in SLI which you can't do either on the other motherboard.
Also, I'm not flaming the other guy just defending myself.
Quote (maulepan @ Feb 20 2016 02:44pm)
I personally would not recommend spending more money. A non-overclocked i5 and 970 is enough to reach 60+fps at high settings and 1080p in the games you listed. Save the money and upgrade the GPU in 2-3 years. Maybe a 500GB SSD if you need more space. Everything else does not seem to make much sense in my opinion. But there will be plenty of people disagreeing in the next hours.
He doesn't need 500GB SSD if he has a Hybird to go with it. If he is going to get 500GB for SSD, might as well get 2x250GB SSD's, it will cost very little more but you will double the performance you would get. But I definetely recommend a big Hard Drive for mass storage and backup.
Quote (Tricerahops @ Feb 20 2016 03:24pm)
Yeah...idk if ill spend the extra money for the CPU for what I want to do with it...I was considering the 500gb ssd already anyway.
As I said up top the CPU price increase is so little compared to the performance increase you would get. Definitely worth the increase. As for the SSD 250GB should plenty enough for your use with a 1TB or 2TB Hybird or just a regular mechanical with it for storage. Keep OS/Photoshop/Editing/Main Games on it and dump everything else on the mechanical drive. If you really want 500GB SSD, get 2x250GB instead.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/f4nf6hHere is an updated list with no shipping and less Mail and Rebate.
Total: $1132.38 without mail and rebate
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I know it is $16 more with mail and rebate, but most people don't use it and it is a huge headache if you do.
This is $29 cheaper without using mail and rebate.
Do you plan to use Mail and Rebate???