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Jul 27 2015 07:02pm

I've always gone with Intel. Always felt like they've consistently had better quality, whereas AMD is a crap shoot (Again, in my experience)

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Jul 27 2015 07:15pm

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I know intel is better and has a "longer shelf life" but for someone with a budget that longer shelf life is pretty insignificant.
The difference of adding intel is smaller when compared to buying something like an R9 290 over a 280, or buying a 970 over a 960.
Processors from 8 years ago can still game pretty adequately now for a lot of folks @ 1080p. If you are suggesting that spending the extra money for someone to be able to game on their 4690k in 2025 vs needing to upgrade in 2023 i think thats pretty silly.

On top of that, you are right. Dx12 may change the CPU landscape. I think AMD knows this [or is praying] with their new upcoming 16 core processor :lol:

lol, 90% games single threaded
intel >
so in 2 yrs when they want new gpu, but cuz they bought amd they must upgrade complete system

8350 or 8320 is like buying 2500k now and next gen cards may not hold up to them, unless dx12 changes the game but those games are like yr out

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/288?vs=697
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/6
http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/9

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Jul 27 2015 07:44pm

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Jul 27 2015 09:15pm)
lol, 90% games single threaded
intel >
so in 2 yrs when they want new gpu, but cuz they bought amd they must upgrade complete system

8350 or 8320 is like buying 2500k now and next gen cards may not hold up to them, unless dx12 changes the game but those games are like yr out

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/288?vs=697
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/6
http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/9

I have been conceding this whole time that Intel makes a superior processor, you don't have to keep trying to prove that it outperforms Amd.

I just don't think it is worth it to spend on an intel processor if you can't spend a certain amount on the graphics, first.
Were going to continue moving to a more GPU dependent environment, and Dx12/Vulkan will become the standard quite fast. At least much faster than it would take for an AMD CPU to be considered so irrelevant that it requires an update.

It just makes more economical sense to favor a strong graphics card over a strong CPU right now, and likely for the next few years.

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Jul 27 2015 07:48pm

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I have been conceding this whole time that Intel makes a superior processor, you don't have to keep trying to prove that it outperforms Amd. ^_^

I just don't think it is worth it to spend on an intel processor if you can't spend a certain amount on the graphics, first.
Were going to continue moving to a more GPU dependent environment, and Dx12/Vulkan will become the standard quite fast. At least much faster than it would take for an AMD CPU to be considered so irrelevant that it requires an update.

It just makes more economical sense to favor a strong graphics card over a strong CPU right now, and likely for the next few years.

so now you can predict the future? Don't think it's going to be as fast as you think most developers aim at consoles first

lol amd doesnt even use their own cpu in their own quantum

many sites dont even consider benching higher end gpus with amd cuz of bottlenecking

economical to spend more on the thing the drops in price the fastest and replaced sooner than any other part?

Lol

oh what is his budget for monitor? oh most likely 1080p/60hz LOL

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Jul 27 2015 08:35pm

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Jul 27 2015 09:48pm)
so now you can predict the future?

lol amd doesnt even use their own cpu in their own quantum

many sites dont even consider benching higher end gpus with amd cuz of bottlenecking

economical to spend more on the thing the drops in price the fastest and replaced sooner than any other part?

Lol

oh what is his budget for monitor? oh most likely 1080p/60hz LOL

Yes I can predict the future so long as we are guided by the principle that people making decisions like money.
Dx12 will roll out fast because Xbone will use Dx12 and the faster dx12 is adopted the better for Msoft. They want an edge over Ps4's propietary API. it is definitely more of a console thing than it is a PC thing.

Yes it makes more economical sense to buy the thing that gives you more performance. It will be replaced sooner because it will improve faster. GPU in 2008 = 1/10 or 1/9 the power of todays equivalent. CPU in 2008 - half [or significantly less] the power of todays equivalent

But anyway, Look the argument doesn't really matter at this point. I'm going to continue to recommend an AMD CPU to anyone with a limited budget and an intel cpu for anyone with a less limited one. you can do as you please.
all that matters is we are helping people convert to the PC master race.

@ Op, come back to us when you are ready to purchase in a under a week :]

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Jul 28 2015 05:55am

Quote (Rapture @ Jul 27 2015 09:35pm)

Yes I can predict the future so long as we are guided by the principle that people making decisions like money.
Dx12 will roll out fast because Xbone will use Dx12 and the faster dx12 is adopted the better for Msoft. They want an edge over Ps4's propietary API. it is definitely more of a console thing than it is a PC thing.

Yes it makes more economical sense to buy the thing that gives you more performance. It will be replaced sooner because it will improve faster. GPU in 2008 = 1/10 or 1/9 the power of todays equivalent. CPU in 2008 - half [or significantly less] the power of todays equivalent

But anyway, Look the argument doesn't really matter at this point. I'm going to continue to recommend an AMD CPU to anyone with a limited budget and an intel cpu for anyone with a less limited one. you can do as you please.
all that matters is we are helping people convert to the PC master race. :thumbsup:

@ Op, come back to us when you are ready to purchase in a under a week :]

dont put all your eggs in one basket

so how long has it taken developers to utilize dx9 for xbox360 and pc?

so how long has quad plus cores been out and still many games benefit more from powerful single threaded processor?

lol

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Jul 28 2015 06:12am

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A 2009 cpu will give you significantly less or half the frames of a haswell?

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Jul 28 2015 10:23am

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Jul 28 2015 07:55am)
dont put all your eggs in one basket

so how long has it taken developers to utilize dx9 for xbox360 and pc?

so how long has quad plus cores been out and still many games benefit more from powerful single threaded processor?

lol

Quite frankly I dont even have a guess to answer the first one. Regardless, the landscape is different since that time. Microsoft was leaps and bounds ahead of sony, and didnt a give a shit!
Now they are struggling, have a weaker console both in hardware and sales and are also a completely separate department within microsoft. I think that fundamentally changes how dx12 will be different from any previous iterations.

It costs more money to develop for quad cores currently, so thats why we see the single core trend.
Dx12 is meant to change the cost of development by removing the difficulty of coding for multi-core. While I dont know any of the details, [like if it is really cheaper for devs], it would stand to reason that based on what they say, it should change that at least a little, especially considering consoles are both weak 8 core processors.

Quote (R0B3RT @ Jul 28 2015 08:12am)
A 2009 cpu will give you significantly less or half the frames of a haswell?

Yeah about. I havent done any real world tests but an e8400 dual core gets about 8.25 fps on the fire strike physics test, while a G3258 gets 13.96 fps on the physics test. I was mainly using synthetics to give that estimate, but try comparing a 2008-2009 gpu to a modern day gpu @ 1080p
My point was that GPU progress has been leaps and bounds over CPU developement, in terms of power over the past few years, and I suspect we will continue to see that trend for at least a little while, so dx12 is coming to capitalize on that.
Those are just reasons why i suggest amd on a budget, not trying to argue any other points ^^

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Jul 28 2015 12:09pm

this helped alot! I guess I will simply wait, since I don'thave to rush buying a high end computer yet...will probably build one in about 2months, I guess with the release of the new CPUs the price will change pretty drasticly, I will simply wait in that case

Thank you so much guys! Long time since I've been here, but this is still a great community

/close for now please

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