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Mar 22 2014 09:44pm
Quote (russki1 @ Mar 22 2014 10:08pm)
Get 4x8gb aka 32 gb total ram.  Mount a ramdisk of size ~20 GB using AMD Ramdisk or another program.  Run your games from the RamDisk.  Makes any world change turbo fast. (like in D3 join games a lot faster).

Drop the AMD, its a piece of crap and doesnt have the right extensions to take advantage of things like AVX2, SSE4.
CPU performance you wanna look at single thread performance: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
As you can see the Intel 3770k blows the AMD linked above out the water.  Even better if you can get a 4770k.
(Why?) Games are not heavily multithreaded apps. And would have most expensive things running on only a few threads.

Drop the expensive video card. Dont need to drop a fortune on those. Their over marketed. Most NVidias cards are the same sht. Unless you doing autocad then you need Quadro class. 

Drop the powersupply, buy one at a local shop for no more than 30 euro.  a 450W would be enough.  No need to spend a fortune on them.  All power supplies now have surge protection.  (make sure it says surge protection)

Drop the fan for the CPU, you wont be overclocking (if your asking here how to build a PC, you wont be overclocking).  There's no need unless you want your computer to work worse.  Stock coolers now are very good, they wont allow the CPU to overheat even under 100% consistent load.

Drop the ripoff highspeed ram.  You wont notice a difference unless your using the ram for a in-memory database being accessed every millisecond.  Most games bottleneck on CPU / a single thread (due to bad code) then accessing ram.  Also DDR4 is around the corner (Fall 2014), which will make the highest speed ram now obsolete.  So try to cheap out as much as possible on ram.  Me personally I am waiting until 2014/2015 to make my next beast rig.  To have full access to affordable PCI-E drives and DDR4.  Also hoping intel releases a i7/E3 class processor that can support over 32gb of ram. (with ddr4)

Drop the CD/DVD RW.  Buy a USB one, itl be almost the same price, wont take up your PSU wattage, will keep your sht cleaner... and its portable.

That website has ripoff prices btw. 

A 4770k is 310$ in USA:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901

Not sure why its the same price in Euro's over there. 50%+ markup?

http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i73770k
http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extreme4
http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/patriot-memory-pv332g160c0qk
http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-gtx650e2gd5

If thats over your budget drop back down to 8gb ram.  But don't cheap out on CPU.  Also you can drop the 1TB drive if you already have a drive lying around.  The ram can be bought used from someone else. (ram doesn't burn/break).

shopcart looks like
http://i.imgur.com/VEdMCbV.png

i7-3770k + 650 2GB

Brilliant build.

@ OP - Ignore this troll.

This post was edited by VVR4ITH on Mar 22 2014 09:48pm
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Mar 22 2014 10:56pm
Quote (VVR4ITH @ Mar 22 2014 08:44pm)
i7-3770k + 650 2GB

Brilliant build.

@ OP - Ignore this troll.



but hey dat 32gb ram!!!
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Mar 23 2014 07:30am
Quote (Secksii @ Mar 22 2014 08:56pm)
but hey dat 32gb ram!!!


Quote (VVR4ITH @ Mar 22 2014 07:44pm)
i7-3770k + 650 2GB

Brilliant build.

@ OP - Ignore this troll.


If your budget is limited its better to spend more on the CPU then the GPU. Because having your GPU work at max would impose CPU limitations (gaming, ov not executing the same workload on the gpu over and over such as in the case of BTC mining, for that you don't need much CPU). And that AMD FX cpu is garbage I have used it side by side with an E3 1230v2. Tho the E3 is a ~$100? more expensive. The E3 is literary is 2x faster.

This post was edited by russki1 on Mar 23 2014 07:43am
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Mar 23 2014 07:53am
Quote (russki1 @ Mar 23 2014 08:30am)
If your budget is limited its better to spend more on the CPU then the GPU.  Because having your GPU work at max would impose CPU limitations (gaming, ov not executing the same workload on the gpu over and over such as in the case of BTC mining, for that you don't need much CPU).  And that AMD FX cpu is garbage I have used it side by side with an E3 1230v2. Tho the E3 is a ~$100? more expensive.  The E3 is literary is 2x faster.

No to all of this.

Your build is trash, and you have no clue how to build a PC. Give it up before I put you to shame.
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Mar 23 2014 07:56am
Quote (VVR4ITH @ Mar 23 2014 09:53am)
No to all of this.

Your build is trash, and you have no clue how to build a PC.  Give it up before I put you to shame.


Do it!!!!
My body is ready
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Mar 23 2014 09:00am
Quote (russki1 @ Mar 23 2014 08:30am)
If your budget is limited its better to spend more on the CPU then the GPU.  Because having your GPU work at max would impose CPU limitations (gaming, ov not executing the same workload on the gpu over and over such as in the case of BTC mining, for that you don't need much CPU).  And that AMD FX cpu is garbage I have used it side by side with an E3 1230v2. Tho the E3 is a ~$100? more expensive.  The E3 is literary is 2x faster.


Oh please, stop digging your grave.
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Mar 23 2014 09:50am
Quote (russki1 @ Mar 22 2014 11:08pm)
Get 4x8gb aka 32 gb total ram.  Mount a ramdisk of size ~20 GB using AMD Ramdisk or another program.  Run your games from the RamDisk.  Makes any world change turbo fast. (like in D3 join games a lot faster).

Drop the AMD, its a piece of crap and doesnt have the right extensions to take advantage of things like AVX2, SSE4.
CPU performance you wanna look at single thread performance: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
As you can see the Intel 3770k blows the AMD linked above out the water.  Even better if you can get a 4770k.
(Why?) Games are not heavily multithreaded apps. And would have most expensive things running on only a few threads.

Drop the expensive video card. Dont need to drop a fortune on those. Their over marketed. Most NVidias cards are the same sht. Unless you doing autocad then you need Quadro class. 

Drop the powersupply, buy one at a local shop for no more than 30 euro.  a 450W would be enough.  No need to spend a fortune on them.  All power supplies now have surge protection.  (make sure it says surge protection)

Drop the fan for the CPU, you wont be overclocking (if your asking here how to build a PC, you wont be overclocking).  There's no need unless you want your computer to work worse.  Stock coolers now are very good, they wont allow the CPU to overheat even under 100% consistent load.

Drop the ripoff highspeed ram.  You wont notice a difference unless your using the ram for a in-memory database being accessed every millisecond.  Most games bottleneck on CPU / a single thread (due to bad code) then accessing ram.  Also DDR4 is around the corner (Fall 2014), which will make the highest speed ram now obsolete.  So try to cheap out as much as possible on ram.  Me personally I am waiting until 2014/2015 to make my next beast rig.  To have full access to affordable PCI-E drives and DDR4.  Also hoping intel releases a i7/E3 class processor that can support over 32gb of ram. (with ddr4)

Drop the CD/DVD RW.  Buy a USB one, itl be almost the same price, wont take up your PSU wattage, will keep your sht cleaner... and its portable.

That website has ripoff prices btw. 

A 4770k is 310$ in USA:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901

Not sure why its the same price in Euro's over there. 50%+ markup?

http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i73770k
http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extreme4
http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/patriot-memory-pv332g160c0qk
http://it.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-gtx650e2gd5

If thats over your budget drop back down to 8gb ram.  But don't cheap out on CPU.  Also you can drop the 1TB drive if you already have a drive lying around.  The ram can be bought used from someone else. (ram doesn't burn/break).

shopcart looks like
http://i.imgur.com/VEdMCbV.png


You're bad... Do yourself a favor and learn something about computer hardware before giving advice.
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Mar 23 2014 01:22pm
Quote (russki1 @ 23 Mar 2014 04:08)
Not sure why its the same price in Euro's over there. 50%+ markup?


it sucks but it's like this for many things, expecially true for electronics.
no matter what the $:€ ratio is, US and UE prices have a 1:1 ratio.

other than that i disagree on most of the things you said.
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Mar 23 2014 04:29pm
Well some explanations about disagreements would be good. As blindly disagreeing without facts / support is ignorance. And I don't think the poster wants advice from ignorant users. All the things I said are tried and true from my personal experience in the tech industry. Listening to your counter arguments and if you can prove my knowledge wrong ))))

This post was edited by russki1 on Mar 23 2014 04:30pm
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Mar 23 2014 04:53pm
Quote (russki1 @ Mar 23 2014 05:29pm)
Well some explanations about disagreements would be good.  As blindly disagreeing without facts / support is ignorance.  And I don't think the poster wants advice from ignorant users.  All the things I said are tried and true from my personal experience in the tech industry.  Listening to your counter arguments and if you can prove my knowledge wrong ))))

After posting a 3770k and a 650 in a build, what makes you think anyone is going to take your "experience" seriously?

I don't work in the tech industry, and I've been putting computers together for only four years. However, I know a poser when I see one, and you, uneducated Sir, are one of them.

But don't worry. You're not the only person to come here, claim you have this experience and that certificate, and not know how to build a computer. If you hang around long enough, you'll learn from the rest of us. :)
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