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Sep 7 2017 03:19pm
Quote (yupitsmeh @ Sep 7 2017 05:14pm)
but frequency has always been rising has it not? wow


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Sep 7 2017 04:44pm
When noobs think increased frequency kills things hehe. It's the heat from upped voltage... art did it right here
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Sep 7 2017 04:46pm
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When noobs think increased frequency kills things hehe. It's the heat from upped voltage... art did it right here


It doesn't have as much of an impact on heat as voltage does but higher frequency does contribute. Temperature related wear also isn't the only factor to these failures.
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It doesn't have as much of an impact on heat as voltage does but higher frequency does contribute. Temperature related wear also isn't the only factor to these failures.



So explain how higher frequency is obtained? Heat is the killer of all things mechanical/electrical
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Sep 7 2017 04:59pm
Quote (Secksii @ Aug 29 2017 01:43pm)
So I gave this away to my bro in law awhile back, and it died.
Out of warranty by 9 months too
RiP

Meanwhile gts450 is still running strong


Didn't this card sell in like 2013?

The thing lasted 4 years or more..... in the technology world, thats a lifetime


If i get 4-6 years of heavy usage out of a PC part I'm happy

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Sep 7 2017 05:02pm
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So explain how higher frequency is obtained?


oh jeez you're doing it now too... you should know very well that the correlation between clock speed and voltage is not that simple, a particularly well binned 7700k is likely going to run cooler when ran at the same voltage as a locked 7700, even if at a higher clock speed.

then look at cpu's from the 80's and early 90's, need 5 volts or more to hit a few mhz

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Sep 7 2017 05:05pm
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Still need to have foreplay


id rather him not...it would kill the vibe if we did things like a vers couple. no thank you.
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Sep 7 2017 05:06pm
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oh jeez you're doing it now too... you should know very well that the correlation between clock speed and voltage is not that simple, a particularly well binned 7700k is likely going to run cooler when ran at the same voltage as a locked 7700, even if at a higher clock speed.



No you've eluded my question. You're not accounting for vrms in your heat discussion. Every chip is going to read differently on the core/dye that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. There's zero moving parts in a CPU so why would how fast it works do anything to the chip? Increasing voltage is what kills it, frequency does nothing to it. Also I like how you linked Microsoft to these reports when they have nothing to do with manufacturing or CPUs...
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No you've eluded my question. You're not accounting for vrms in your heat discussion. Every chip is going to read differently on the core/dye that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. There's zero moving parts in a CPU so why would how fast it works do anything to the chip? Increasing voltage is what kills it, frequency does nothing to it. Also I like how you linked Microsoft to these reports when they have nothing to do with manufacturing or CPUs...


Because there's a minimum amount of time required to flip a transistor between states and the faster you do it you get closer to that limit, simply flipping states draws power so doing it more rapidly will linearly increase heat output.

Increasing voltage increases heat exponentially, however, so it's generally considered negligible

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Because there's a minimum amount of time required to flip a transistor between states and the faster you do it you get closer to that limit, simply flipping states draws power so doing it more rapidly will linearly increase heat output.



Okay even still on the topic of power draw, voltage is what controls the power draw. No increase of voltage and guess what the power stays the same. I'm sorry but frequency doesn't kill the chip. There is other variables which we all know can kill it faster. That's not accounting for sudden abrupt power issues which can fuck up a computer. There's more than just one thing and you can't realistically say that frequency is a killer of chips. Say we agree to disagree.
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