third regurgitation? It's been the same fundamental arch for decades

I'm talking about the 14nm die set and firmware. All they've done is find ways to boost clock speeds both on the bus and the core since like 2014. Eventually they will just hit a wall due to thermals, you can already see it with how hot Coffee lake is running. All the overclocks for CL that I've seen so far are just limited by thermals, where Ryzen can hit the same clocks on stock cooler as AIO. Intel isn't getting much farther after this gen, they just needed a response to Zen that would hold them over until they can actually start a redesign process.

wasnt bulldozer new arch also doesnt always mean it can be improved, but I really hope so
keeping same socket doesnt always make sense you limit your self to make backwards compatibility which can hurt performanc, are all am4 pins in use on ryzen7?
just because a processor is locked doesnt mean there arent ways to overclock it

what do you mean running hot looking to be running about the same ratio from tj max as amds, you have to remember amd has lower tj max

there was just no profit to be made with bulldozer's sub-$100 SKU's + humongous silicon so that hurt its optimization efforts immensely, even moreso than the arch being a dumpster fire (CMT was the worst). As for Ryzen's future... all you need to know is this



This post was edited by DCSS on Oct 5 2017 03:17pm

AMD has already committed to at least 2 more generations of the zen architecture in their reddit ama.
No idea on pin use, I don't know that much about the physical workings of the processors. I do know that is't the same socket they use for their APU's, so maybe not?
True, but it's a lot easier to just have it available out of the box. Not to mention, the OC mobos for Zen are half the price of what they are for CL.
I just mean that I've see a couple results already on overclocking, and the main barrier they are hitting is thermals; they can't get it to go farther solely because the chip is getting hot and going into safe mode, even on water cooling. As of now, AMD is limited by the firmware and component design, and people aren't seeing much benefit at all with aftermarket cooling in terms of how far they can overclock; all Ryzen chips generally hit a wall around 3.9-4.0 GHZ and still aren't getting that hot.

you can barely overclock ryzen past 8400's max turbo speed.. rofl

not negligible at all, very different ipc speeds anyway





This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Oct 5 2017 06:35pm

on how many cores is that full 3.7ghz turbo though? 2? 3? probably down to half by the time ur using 4 cores, and 2.8 is pretty abysmal for a bclk

https://www.eteknix.com/intel-core-i5-8400-6-core-6-thread-cpu-review/5/


more benchmarks there

8400 is right below he 8700k in almost every benchmark

and it's $189, comes with fan. insane value for price:performance

This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Oct 5 2017 06:40pm

why is the 1700x losing to the 7700k in blender? Is this not the same cpu that can perform on par and surpass a 6900k in blender? Unless the 7700k is at like 7ghz+ I have doubts.
Need more information on their test platform, in particular the clock speeds and RAM being used.

This post was edited by DCSS on Oct 5 2017 07:02pm