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"Electromigration"

Look er up. Overclocks on CPU's that were once stable, can eventually become unstable due to the die itself Literally having it's atoms move around slightly due to the high voltage and heat.


I have a 2700K that ran at 4.7GHZ for the first 5 years of it's life on air cooling when it suddenly started crashing and being unstable. Now it still works but 4.5 GHZ is the highest it can go, on water cooling at that.


yes aging but is it failing?
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lol overclocking has changed alot by then
this is a study of crash data collected right? no real testing on hardware if was hardware failure or if system just became unstable

and amd better than intel but didnt amd always use multiplers vs intel bclk?
we all know the old dangers of bclk overclocking back in the day
hasnt newer better and smarter hardware came to be?
hasnt newer better and smarter firmware came to be?
hasnt newer better and smarter software came to be?

and many companies are selling overclocked pcs with long warranties

ok I'm done with this
too many fucking variables to have any conclusion considering this is colllected from crash data right? no in house testing to see what the problem was minus the extreme overclocking
and as a frequent ltt ocn, and other forum frequenter I can see many people still running ancient hardware overclocked


overclocking isnt even the issue, the conclusion itself states that regardless of whether or not the chip is overclocked, even with higher stock speeds, the failure rate is higher.
... firmware isn't going to change the physical properties of electricity, silicon, or the way the signal is propagated.

people running ancient hardware thing doesn't matter either, it's not like all overclocked systems fail, in fact most continue functioning because that's the nature of hardware. If you had read the study you'd have seen that. By 8 months only 1 in every 190 systems had failed overall. There's also been no attempts to replace the faulty component and fix the machine, which most people do. And many of your LTT buddies likely have done if their systems are that old. In the case of longer warranties there's more factors than higher clocked hardware having a slightly higher failure rate, like the fact someone who buys such a pc is more likely to upgrade again before it fails because they are an "enthusiast". The longer warranty can also be reflected in a higher upfront cost and the lower expense to cover it later when said hardware has already heavily depreciated by the end of a longer warranty.

i dont understand how there's too many variables for you to wrap your head around. 1 million pc's. they looked at every single one that failed to see where the faults occured and noted things like clock speed, ram amounts, DRAM, etc. It wasn't obtuse at all. They had a large enough sample size to note that among the higher clocked pcs, a greater percentage of them failed due to faults in that hardware as opposed to things like disk failures.

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overclocking isnt even the issue, the conclusion itself states that regardless of whether or not the chip is overclocked, even with higher stock speeds, the failure rate is higher.
... firmware isn't going to change the physical properties of electricity, silicon, or the way the signal is propagated.

people running ancient hardware thing doesn't matter either, it's not like all overclocked systems fail, in fact most continue functioning because that's the nature of hardware. If you had read the study you'd have seen that. By 8 months only 1 in every 190 systems had failed overall. There's also been no attempts to replace the faulty component and fix the machine, which most people do. And many of your LTT buddies likely have done if their systems are that old. In the case of longer warranties there's more factors than higher clocked hardware having a slightly higher failure rate, like the fact someone who buys such a pc is more likely to upgrade again before it fails because they are an "enthusiast". The longer warranty can also be reflected in a higher upfront cost and the lower expense to cover it later when said hardware has already heavily depreciated by the end of a longer warranty.

i dont understand how there's too many variables for you to wrap your head around. 1 million pc's. they looked at every single one that failed to see where the faults occured and noted things like clock speed, ram amounts, DRAM, etc. It wasn't obtuse at all. They had a large enough sample size to note that among the higher clocked pcs, a greater percentage of them failed due to faults in that hardware as opposed to things like disk failures.


was was average clock of cpus in 2011?
was is average clock now?

lol not to mention gpu frequencies now too

of course overclocking is going to report more errors because they become unstable after time and because people are trying to push higher

windows error means hardware is faulty completely or just being pushed beyond its limits

wow

did you even overclock then?

if you pushed too far on intel pc you would bsod/etc and send report next time enter bios reduce or raise voltage etc
so why wouldnt it show higher frequency gets more errors?

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read the first line
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read my first 2 lines
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find your own information if you want to try and make points, im tired of doing it for you

I do not believe overall average clock speed between all mobile and desktop platforms has changed very much

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find your own information if you want to try and make points, im tired of doing it for you

I do not believe it has changed very much.


overclocking isnt even the issue, the conclusion itself states that regardless of whether or not the chip is overclocked, even with higher stock speeds, the failure rate is higher.
... firmware isn't going to change the physical properties of electricity, silicon, or the way the signal is propagated

but frequency has always been rising has it not? wow
i'm sure you were around when we were all excited about 1ghz speeds

exactly

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