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Dec 4 2018 08:09pm
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Any leaks on their new GPUs?


amd GPU's lul
yeh adored mentioned it some but i glossed over it because i don't have high expectations. Maybe there was some good news tho.
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Dec 4 2018 08:09pm
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yeah i expect avx 512 support on top of an overall ipc increase is all. I can see it ending up not only starved for bandwidth for the ram but from the infinity fabric as well which as u know runs at 1/2 dram clock, ddr5 is obviously going to be huge for ryzen coming in at like 5.4ghz at the slowest. I reckon people doing memory intensive applications will gravitate towards threadripper instead and as we still don't know all the specifics, 12 core/16 core ryzen could be sporting 3 or 4 memory channels, but that puts a lot of pressure on board partners so I doubt it.


maybe we could actually see certain tr bins surpassing ryzen on many gaming apps when all channels are used

did you read this article amd downplaying ipc improvements?
https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-downplays-29-percent-zen-2-ipc-boost-reports/1/
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Dec 4 2018 08:13pm
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maybe we could actually see certain tr bins surpassing ryzen on many gaming apps when all channels are used

did you read this article amd downplaying ipc improvements?
[URL=https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-downplays-29-percent-zen-2-ipc-boost-reports/1/]https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-downplays-29-percent-zen-2-ipc-boost-reports/1/[/URL]


Yeah, 29% would be ludicrous, Intel would basically have to sabotage AMD to not go bankrupt at that point with Ryzen 2 also more than likely hitting 5.0-5.1ghz overclocks easily. 10% minimum 15% max is what I expect in ipc gains sans very cherry picked cases.

As for memory channels helping in gaming i don't know, bandwidth has been increasing but ryzen is more sensitive to timings, for consumers and gaming higher bandwidth is mostly intended to give igpu's more room to play with that's why even single vs dual doesn't change fps by more than like 1-5% gaming with a discrete gpu.
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Dec 4 2018 08:24pm
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Yeah, 29% would be ludicrous, Intel would basically have to sabotage AMD to not go bankrupt at that point with Ryzen 2 also more than likely hitting 5.0-5.1ghz overclocks easily. 10% minimum 15% max is what I expect in ipc gains sans very cherry picked cases.

As for memory channels helping in gaming i don't know, bandwidth has been increasing but ryzen is more sensitive to timings, for consumers and gaming higher bandwidth is mostly intended to give igpu's more room to play with that's why even single vs dual doesn't change fps by more than like 1-5% gaming with a discrete gpu.


yeah suppose just need to reduce the latency as much as you can



and dont really think intel would go bankrupt if these numbers are completely true, intel will just do chiplet like design too which they prolly are working on themselves
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Dec 4 2018 08:28pm
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yeah suppose just need to reduce the latency as much as you can



and dont really think intel would go bankrupt if these numbers are completely true, intel will just do chiplet like design too which they prolly are working on themselves


They will still be on an ancient manufacturing node and be dealing with a ryzen that has equal maybe even higher ipc, and is running at nearly the same clocks and draws way less power due to aforementioned node disparity. Intel has to do a lot more than just implement chiplets.
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Dec 4 2018 08:30pm
All chiplets will do is allow Intel to achieve incrementally higher core counts without exponentially worse yields or lower clock speeds. It's not enough.
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Dec 4 2018 08:31pm
But it's a good step forward for sure, man not being able to edit sucks
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Dec 4 2018 08:38pm
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All chiplets will do is allow Intel to achieve incrementally higher core counts without exponentially worse yields or lower clock speeds. It's not enough.


10nm and chiplet will be practically equal playing field considering there node differences

just cause your first doesnt mean you will succeed, we know this from the past

intel would have been done way back

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Dec 4 2018 08:42pm
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10nm and chiplet will be practically equal playing field considering there node differences

just cause your first doesnt mean you will succeed, we know this from the past

intel would have been done way back


intel will always claw their way back, be it through fair competition or otherwise, so I'm not too worried for them really.
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#30
Dec 5 2018 11:58am
AdoredTV?

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Guy's a joke. His leaks are a joke. I'll bet any amount of fg that the 3600X cannot all core to 4.8.
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