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#21
Nov 5 2013 08:37am
Quote (rockonkenshin @ Nov 5 2013 09:12am)
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167674-steam-box-valve-abuses-its-gamer-goodwill-to-bet-big-on-a-bad-idea

It's going to be a huge flop. I said this from the very beginning. It just doesn't at all solve any of the problems inherent to PC gaming and with it's stupid Linux-based OS you can't actually play any of the games you want to play on it without having yet another gaming PC somewhere else in your house running Windows so you can stream the game from it.

I absolutely agree with the article's statement that Valve is abusing it's good will (and the general stupidity of gamers with regards to ignoring reason when dealing with their favorite companies) to produce something that is pushing a an agenda (Gabe Newell's hatred of Windows) and doesn't even solve the problem it intended on.


I like the "modular console" design,
pushing linux is kinda a no but more and more developers want to rid directx, linux versions of games have proven to give more performance vs windows with same specs,

ghot you screwed your quotes up

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Nov 5 2013 08:39am
Quote (yupitsmeh @ Nov 5 2013 10:37am)
I like the "modular console" design,
pushing linux is kinda a no but more and more developers want to rid directx, linux versions of games have proven to give more performance vs windows with same specs,

ghot you screwed your quotes up



I fixed them :)
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#23
Nov 5 2013 09:02am
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Install Windows


Then why would I buy a Steam box then? Having to install Windows (and presumably losing the set top box-like quality of the SteamOS solution) makes this not a turnkey solution. If I have to do that just to play the majority of games I would just build a fucking gaming computer.

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Nov 5 2013 09:37am)
I like the "modular console" design,
pushing linux is kinda a no but more and more developers want to rid directx, linux versions of games have proven to give more performance vs windows with same specs,

ghot you screwed your quotes up


I'm a long time Linux (and now mostly OS X) user and I call massive bullshit on this. Linux Nvidia/AMD graphics drivers have always been complete fucking trash compared to the Windows binaries. Do you have any backing evidence of this?

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Nov 5 2013 09:37am)
I like the "modular console" design,


It's neat but it really defeats the purpose of a console, at least for non-hobbyists.



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Nov 5 2013 09:04am

The maximumPC article said you could install Linux or Windows on the Steam Box ??
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Nov 5 2013 09:09am
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The maximumPC article said you could install Linux or Windows on the Steam Box  ??


No shit, but having to remove the entire integrated software suite and install Windows and Steam defeats the fucking purpose of a console as a turnkey solution for gaming.

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Nov 5 2013 09:37am)
I like the "modular console" design,
pushing linux is kinda a no but more and more developers want to rid directx, linux versions of games have proven to give more performance vs windows with same specs,

ghot you screwed your quotes up


I did some research on this and the only backing I can find is Valve claiming that in internal OpenGL tests L4D2 ran faster than on Windows. Article refuting the significance of that finding:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167541-making-sense-of-the-steam-box-windows-vs-linux-opengl-vs-direct3d-and-the-impact-of-support-from-amd-nvidia?print
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Nov 5 2013 09:11am
Quote (rockonkenshin @ Nov 5 2013 09:09am)
No shit, but having to remove the entire integrated software suite and install Windows and Steam defeats the fucking purpose of a console as a turnkey solution for gaming.



I did some research on this and the only backing I can find is Valve claiming that in internal OpenGL tests L4D2 ran faster than on Windows. Article refuting the significance of that finding:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167541-making-sense-of-the-steam-box-windows-vs-linux-opengl-vs-direct3d-and-the-impact-of-support-from-amd-nvidia?print


I posted an article long ago about first few tests of L4D on linux and there were was decent frame rate increase.
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Nov 5 2013 09:18am
Quote (Mastrshok @ Nov 5 2013 10:11am)
I posted an article long ago about first few tests of L4D on linux and there were was decent frame rate increase.


Read the article I just posted. The difference in frame rates was within a 3% margin of error (i.e. not statistically relevant)

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OpenGL on Linux hit 315 fps, and OpenGL on Windows ran at 303.7 fps


Given that the test was done on a single machine we can't actually determine if it's faster or not. Steam machines aren't standardized hardware and therefore will have the same issues Windows has with driver compatibility and performance. The only way to ensure this is to make Steam box hardware standardized, which runs counter to Valve's intentions for the platform.


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#28
Nov 5 2013 09:30am
at work at the moment but Linux games get rid of direct x api similar to what this mantle is going to do,

I believe its source engine on those benchmarks at work atm will link when I have time to find it

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2012/08/02/valve-linux-performance/

found this one while cutting quarter inch, back to work I go

oh thx mastrshok

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Nov 5 2013 09:44am
Quote (yupitsmeh @ Nov 5 2013 10:30am)
at work at the moment but Linux games get rid of direct x api similar to what this mantle is going to do,

I believe its source engine on those benchmarks at work atm will link when I have time to find it

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2012/08/02/valve-linux-performance/

found this one while cutting quarter inch, back to work I go


Doing an apples to apples comparison it's still 303.7 fps vs 315 fps for OpenGL. That's for one particular machine and hardware configuration. That's not data, that's a single anecdote.
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#30
Nov 5 2013 09:47am
Quote (rockonkenshin @ Nov 5 2013 10:44am)
Doing an apples to apples comparison it's still 303.7 fps vs 315 fps for OpenGL. That's for one particular machine and hardware configuration. That's not data, that's a single anecdote.


do you need me to post the steam community forums where people are having their claims too with different hardware?

feel free to go look, at work cant link all right now
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