Klipsch Pro media 2.1 or.. Audioengine or M-Audio studiophile



Can't go right * overpriced and inferior to plasma; the gap is so wide that when proffessionals review LEDs and come across gems like the 21:9 Philips or the Sony HX855 they say stuff like "superb picture.. for AN LED" or "best non-plasma blacks we've seen"

Still they sell better and the vast majority of people think they are better.. Makes techies like me

This post was edited by MGS4BestGameEverMade on Jun 13 2012 05:38pm

thats true. imo buyin an LED or a plasma depends on the seating arrangement, locations of windows, etc.

Change of plans

I ended up buying a 65" Sony KDL-65HX729 for $2200 (sale on Dell's site). I'm going to put it in the living room and move my 55" Sony XBR8 into the bedroom.

I see. The XBR8 is a legendary TV. A shame it was made the around the same time as the Pioneer Kuro, which obviously completely overshadowed it.

But why on earth get the a 2011 model Sony HX720 series?


The Panasonic ST50 is $200 cheaper than your TV and has slightly better PQ than the Sony HX855 2012 high end TV!!

Edit: the Samsung PNE6500 is on equal terms with the ST50 and costs more or less the same, but the largest size is 64 inches.

I would return that as soon as possible if I were you, its a good TV but there are dozen better choices, for instance:

VT50>GT50>E8000> E7000 > ST50>E6500> HX855 >VT30 > D8000 > D7000> E8000 (LED) > HX929 > Philips flagship > HX750 > GT30 > HX820 > ST30 > Sony HX729 > rest of TVs (UT50, E6000 LED, last years Philips, D8000 LED, VT20, LG flagship plasma, LG flagship LED, etc)

Could've saved money and a TV even better OR spent same money and got a vastly superior TV lol.


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1322209805

The TV if calibrated properly can produce extremely accurate colours of 6570K (6500K = perfect).

However uncalibrated the colours are an atrocious 8000K+ so BUY CALIBRATING SOFTWARE.

Black level is pretty mediocre by today's standard at 0.06cd/m2 which isn't as average on paper but the thing is the HX720 is EDGE LIT which means you're faced with EDGE BLEEDING, horrible screen uniformity as well as you may suffer from clouding. Uneven blacks will be apparant.

for $200 less you could the ST50 which produces more or less the same colour performance, has a 0.012cd/m2 black level (lower = better) perfect screen uniformity (being plasma), no edge bleeding or clouding. Blacks will be completely even through out the entire screen and shadow details won't be crushed as much as on the Sony. Motion will also be superior on the Panasonic plasma, with less input lag.

As for 3D, I don't really know because I despise 3D, but I'm sure the ST50 excels here as well.

1950:1 is by no means a bad contrast ratio.. but the ST50 is around 4000-5000:1 and its a lot cheaper for petes sake!

Big, big mistake you made if you ask me, maybe if the Sony cost $1200 it would have been a great buy.



This post was edited by MGS4BestGameEverMade on Jun 17 2012 06:48pm

Dad wanted a 65" Sony (he only buys Sony TVs) so it was either this one or the HX929 which is a lot more expensive. My parents will mainly be using it for watching TV and they don't really care that much about PQ so I went with the 729 instead of the 929 to save some money.

Edit: Saving up money for when OLED panels come out

This post was edited by SX-XiP on Jun 17 2012 07:27pm

Damn Sony fanboys I thought they only cared about playstation being brand loyal isn't good you know..

Why does your dad only buy Sony TVs?

If he saw the price/performance ratio of a Pansonic plasma I'm sure he'd be tempted

Why save up money for OLED when you can buy plasma today? OLEDs are pretty much plasmas with less energy/heat output. I am sure that the flagship OLED models will beat even the top model Panasonic/samsung plasmas but I bet you they are going to cost 2-3x as much!

The Pioneer Kuro KRP 500-A plasma from 2008 is still better than any PROTOTYPE OLED and Pioneer had plans for further developeing the plasma technology to be an anti-OLED.. however they died out and Panasonic bought what remains of their tech but lack the skill to do anything with it.

I seriously recommend that your dad starts buying what is the best for his dollar, and not because he is loyal to multi billion dollar corporation.

Don't get me wrong, I love Sony, but they havn't made a a top of the line TV since the Sony XBR 960 CRT which ironically hasn't been surpassed by a single flat screen display (not even the MIGHTY Pioneer Kuro plasma or any OLED) in terms of picture quality.

I think he likes Sony because we haven't had any problems with them. We had this REALLY old Sony TV that lasted like 20 years until it died... We also had a Sony projection TV for about 10 years until we upgraded it to an XBR8. Whenever we go to the electronics store he doesn't even consider other brands and I keep telling him to try looking at the Samsung, Panasonic, etc...

He use to swear by Apple/IBM computers until I built him a custom rig that ran circles around prebuilt crap

You know there's actually a guy selling a Kuro in my area on craigslist for 2k, I'm kind of tempted to grab it lol

Definitely should. The Pioneer Kuro is STILL the reference TV most serious TV-reviewers use. If you don't fully understand what that means it means that every 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 TV they review are compared to the Kuro, as if the Kuro is some sort of answer sheet for a test. That's right.. 2012 TVs are built to be as close to the Kuro as possible, It is usally Panasonic that is closest every single year and every year the reviewer says "Maybe next year Panasonic will release a TV better than the Kuro" But it hasn't happened... 4 times.

The Panasonic VT50 is dangerously close though, but still the black level is like 0.001 on the panny and 0.0003 on the Kuro (lower = better) giving it like double the contrast ratio.

So by all means, buy it. it will still be the best TV for the rest of 2012 and it might even battle 2013 OLEDs and perhaps even the 2014 line ups.. who knows.