2022/23 latest

life is too damn short to wait forever for the next big thing forever...
i need more performance asap and rkl looks like the jump i have been waiting to see
have not been looking at amd playing catch-up against skylake ST perf and jamming moar coars onto a substrate. For those who need or want a lot of cores and/or are gpu bound in their games, Zen 2 is fantastic, unbeatable value, but that's not me.
have not been looking at intel refreshing skylake for 5 years straight with almost no improvements outside of clock speeds, i would have gotten the 6700k back in the day if i wanted skylake. Was getting tired of their laziness.

Zen 3 will have core to core latency that is on par with Intel up to 8 cores due to going from 4 core to 8 core ccx's
RKL will most likely only go up to 8 cores anyway
which cpu i get to hold me over for another 5-6 years is gonna be whoever wins between i7-11700k vs Ryzen 7 4700x, and I don't care about value or price, just which is a better chip.
I'm expecting Zen 3 ipc to be on par with RKL but still have worse memory latency, meaning 90% chance I go Intel for my use case which involves a lot of simulation type workloads that are sensitive to cache and memory latency and bandwidth.

Anyone who is currently on a Zen 2 or Skylake system is sitting pretty for alder/meteor lake or zen 4/5 or even ocean cove/zen5+ but I definitely can't see myself using my current pc for another year or 3. DDR3 is killing me with how much it's killing my performance. I see pretty much linear gains with memory speed but ddr3 just won't go very far.

amd gonna be on nm -12 by then lol

intel still #1 now.

most likely 5nm while Intel is on 7nm+, and they will be breaking even on density
gotta remember Intel's 10nm++ process transistor density is already on par with TSMC's 7nm, the number on its own does not tell the whole story.

never said amd was better but look at the jump they made from zen 1 to 3 its amazing and if i was intel id be scared and pull out 7nm cpu on the very next gen

Zen 1 was rushed out the door because they couldn't wait anymore and were on the brink of bankruptcy. The launch was buggy and the first iteration zen had serious architectural issues especially as it pertains to latency. In spite of that, the improvement in IPC from FX series was enormous, and perf/watt was higher than Intel's latest and greatest in spite of ivy bridge-like performance, so it sold well, and early adapters faced constant issues with bios and memory support.

In hindsight, Zen 1 was really bad. It's only now with Zen 2 that we're really seeing the architecture near a completed state, although there is still much growth to be had for a 3 yrs old fresh young architecture like Zen, especially when you consider 10900k's design dates back to the paleolithic era Pentium III core.

11th gen leaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K2TPnxknKo&