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Intel's new 10nm CPUs supposed to be released late 2017, they will be expensive but they will stomp ryzen lol
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I'm interested to see how windows 10 handles the cpu compared to Linux/Ubuntu systems. Hopefully not another snafu where the technology was right on point but the OS held back the potential.
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Quote (Dismayven @ Feb 10 2017 01:06am)
Intel's new 10nm CPUs supposed to be released late 2017, they will be expensive but they will stomp ryzen lol


they won't handle heat well and will throttle like mad unless intel starts soldering their cpus
not everyone has the time/money/patience and steady hands for delidding a cpu

at which point amd will prevail with the fact every last chip of theirs is unlocked, all the time.

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Quote (t_y_k_o @ Feb 11 2017 08:30am)
they won't handle heat well and will throttle like mad unless intel starts soldering their cpus
not everyone has the time/money/patience and steady hands for delidding a cpu

at which point amd will prevail with the fact every last chip of theirs is unlocked, all the time.


What the fuck you mumbling about
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Quote (yupitsmeh @ 11 Feb 2017 06:56)
What the fuck you mumbling about


this LOL
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Quote (yupitsmeh @ Feb 11 2017 05:56am)
What the fuck you mumbling about


smaller the package harder to dissipate heat
delidding helps transfer heat, intel doesn't solder anything other than extreme chips

amd does, and all chips are unlocked, not having to pay intel premium for k/x cpu
and last i remember amd solders their chips

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Quote (t_y_k_o @ 11 Feb 2017 07:20)
smaller the package harder to dissipate heat
delidding helps transfer heat, intel doesn't solder anything other than extreme chips

amd does, and all chips are unlocked, not having to pay intel premium for k/x cpu
and last i remember amd solders their chips

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so ur saying, intel will release products that cannot handle heat, and throttle like crazy
so that they can cripple themselves
10/10
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Quote (t_y_k_o @ Feb 11 2017 09:20am)
smaller the package harder to dissipate heat
delidding helps transfer heat, intel doesn't solder anything other than extreme chips

amd does, and all chips are unlocked, not having to pay intel premium for k/x cpu
and last i remember amd solders their chips

upperhand


what percentage of the pc population overclocks?
when has intel really had a heat issue on their stock cpus?
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Quote (Secksii @ Feb 11 2017 06:30am)
so ur saying, intel will release products that cannot handle heat, and throttle like crazy
so that they can cripple themselves
10/10


have u not seen what they're trying to release in response to zen already..... making hot chips run hotter lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/5sf73z/intel_prepares_ryzen_response_7740k_and_7640k/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=hardware

people oc their kabylake i5/i7 and hit 100c with good cooling
delid and drop 25c. makes sense, right?

now why would 10nm be any easier to cool with a non soldered ihs..
either
1: they have to solder the ihs on coffeelake(?) to have a high boost clock
2: they can't have a high boost clock with regular epoxy+paste

effects overclocking in general either way
amd likely soldering zen cpus, huge benefit

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Feb 11 2017 06:55am)
what percentage of the pc population overclocks?
when has intel really had a heat issue on their stock cpus?


dumb question, might as well have asked "what percentage of the pc population buys a high end unlocked intel cpu to not overclock"
not a lot of people are going to be buying these chips in prebuilts, unless it's ibuypower/cyberpowerpc, in which those few are the ones i would expect to have no idea how to overclock

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Quote (t_y_k_o @ Feb 11 2017 09:58am)
have u not seen what they're trying to release in response to zen already..... making hot chips run hotter lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/5sf73z/intel_prepares_ryzen_response_7740k_and_7640k/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=hardware

people oc their kabylake i5/i7 and hit 100c with good cooling
delid and drop 25c. makes sense, right?

now why would 10nm be any easier to cool with a non soldered ihs..
either
1: they have to solder the ihs on coffeelake(?) to have a high boost clock
2: they can't have a high boost clock with regular epoxy+paste

effects overclocking in general either way
amd likely soldering zen cpus, huge benefit



dumb question, might as well have asked "what percentage of the pc population buys a high end unlocked intel cpu to not overclock"
not a lot of people are going to be buying these chips in prebuilts, unless it's ibuypower/cyberpowerpc, in which those few are the ones i would expect to have no idea how to overclock


you honestly dont think k models arent sold in hp, dell, etc?
are you obtuse?

btw they can just make the ihs lower profile to close the gap
but you saying they need to solder them to get lower temps is just plain nonsense just to compete lol

This post was edited by yupitsmeh on Feb 11 2017 09:11am
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