is there a chord equivalents to flat and sharp notes? is an e minor chord an e flat?

a flat = g sharp
b flat = a sharp
c flat = b natural
d flat = c sharp
e flat = d sharp
f flat = e natural
g flat = f sharp

does this answer your question?

you can even masturbate your brain a little more , i.e : a = b double flat ^^

This post was edited by unid_element59 on Mar 14 2013 03:04am

no. im poking around and im closure to the answer. if im in the scale of C: the d would would be a minor. I was gonna try to write a song in the key of A Flat so I was thinking "would the chord for that be A minor?" but then i realized that in the key of A flat, "A flat" would be a major chord and there is several ways to chord A flat major.

I dont understand the theory behind why there would be a difference in sound between a major and a minor chord, or if there even is a difference in sound

This post was edited by Grippster on Mar 14 2013 03:10am

ah I got it.
your answer is then F minor

lemme explain you so you can find it by yourself in the future. I'll simplify it a bit so it makes it more easy to understand. (idk technical music english words so if you have questions on a word ask me)


I Scales and degrees
On scales, notes can be called degrees when we are talking about chords.

On a C Major scale, for example, degrees would go like this (they are always written in roman numbers):
C: I--- Major C
D: II-- Minor D
E: III- Minor E
F: IV-- Major F
G: V--- Major G
A: VI-- Minor A
B: VII- (won't get into this)

(on a major scale, The first degree is major, 2nd is minor ... as above, That is for all major scales.)

so if you want a minor A in another scale ( in your case A flat, major i guess?) here is the way to go:

First write your scale from A flat like this (you need to know your scales though, no secret )
A flat
B flat
C natural
D flat
E flat
F natural
G natural

Second, write down degrees from shown in the C scale, you should get this:
A: I
B: II
C: III
D: IV
E: V
F: VI
G: VII

now if you wantin your current scale the chord that correspond to A minor in C, Simply look at degrees and take the corresponding one.

this is called transposition.


now the difference between a Major chord and minor chord:

II: The perfect Chord

As you maybe know, a Perfect chord is composed of 3 notes: The bass note, the third, and the fifth. those 3 notes are a superposition of thirds:
example: the chord C major is composed of 3 notes : C E G
each distance from each note (from left to right) is a third. If you haven't understood this count with your fingers
from C to E:
C1 (D2) E3 , you get 3 fingers: it's a third
from E to G:
E1 (F2) G3, 3 fingers again , it's a third!!!

a perfect chord has also of a perfect FIFTH:
we have it here in C major: C to G:
C1 (D2) (E3) (F4) G5 , 5 fingers, it's a fifth

A PERFECT CHORD IS COMPOSED OF A 3RD AND A (PERFECT) 5TH COUNTING FROM THE BASS NOTE ( here the bass note is C because we are talking about the C chord)

another i.e could clarify this:
Let's take the chord of perfect F (regardless of major/minor, the name of the notes are the same-though not their alterations), and assuming we don't know which notes are in that chord.
We know that a perfect chord is composed of a 3rd and a 5th, and is a superposition of 3rds

F1 (G2) A3
we got our 3rd. it's A

F1 (G2) (A3) B(4) C5
our 5th is C

Our perfect F chord is then composed of F A C .

III: Intervals

an interval is the distance between 2 notes, Basically it's what we did with our fingers above with the third and the fifth.
A chord is Major or minor according to it's third. That's the only rule and it's pretty simple

Intervals are named:
distance of
2 notes- a second
3 - a third
4- a fourth
5- fifht
6- sixth
7- seventh
8- an octave
(9- ninth)
(10- 10th)
etc

pretty simple.

You agree with me that (using your fingers) the interval from C to E is a third, as well as C to Eb (e flat)
though this interval doesn't sound the same; both are third but are called differently

thirds can be major OR minor
major, minor? BUT THAT'S LIKE IN CHORDS!!
DUUUUH

so when your third is major your chord is major, when your third is minor your chord is minor...

How to recognize a major third from minor third:
here it gets complicated...

Distance within 2 notes are measured with tones and half tones.

A half tone -or semitone- is what composes a chromatic scale
going from bottom to top: C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C
from top to bottom: C B Bb A Ab G Gb F E Eb D Db C
If you have a keyboard, a chromatic scale is what goes from a C to another C using all they keys (the black and whites)

A tone is simply equal to 2 semitones.

now lets see our major third with C major ( from C to E natural)
C----- C#----- D----- D#----- C
--1/2-----1/2----1/2-----1/2
we have 4 half tones so 2 tones
THE MAJOR THIRD IS COMPOSED OF 2TONES OR 4 SEMITONES
now for the minor third with C minor ( from C to Eb)
C------Db------D------Eb
---1/2-----1/2----1/2---
we have 3 half tones or 1 tone an 1 half tone
THE MINOR SCALE IS COMPOSED OF 3 SEMITONES OR 1TONE AN A HALF

The major and minor chords have a very different sound color which you will easily difference with experience



NAO DON8

This post was edited by unid_element59 on Mar 14 2013 05:16am

uups i misread, the answer is Bb minor, I thought u needed an A actually you needed a D, my bad.
though the above explanations are correct

This post was edited by unid_element59 on Mar 14 2013 08:42am

holy shit man thank you so much for all the effort! thats a lot of info! are you a music student? so ive been learning about the circle of fifths and decided to try to use a "diatonic harmony" formula to construct a melody with a random scale (i picked Ab for no particular reason, just wanted something different). i got this idea from karen ramirez and am trying it as a fun little experiment. check out this video:

in the video why is the 5th chord a g7? wouldnt it just be a g major chord?

it is major, but with a minor 7th; it's a dominant 7th
it just adds a color. sometimes it sounds better with or without, depends...

My pleasure, thats a solid read!