If you're a Tutor for Drum Students and the FIRST songs you tell them to learn are Judas Priest, rather than recommending rudiments, practicing with a metronome, then you're a fucking awful drum teacher and shouldn't be teaching anyone. No this isn't a discussion, this isn't you posting specifically what he asked, this is me telling you that you're an idiot if you think learning Judas Priest is not only easy, but where someone just starting drums should begin.

Anyone can play a half ass beat along with a track, it doesn't mean it's where they should start (actually it's the WRONG way to learn drums, their timing will be off, they'll easily be overwhelmed, etc.) and there's very little benefit in the long term 'jamming away' playing whatever the fuck you want without learning the basics. Sure, if you want to Jam away and learn overtime, go for it, I'm not saying it can't be done. But if you follow the basics, practice rudiments, practice with a metronome, I'm willing to bet any money you'll become a better drummer in under a year than someone who 'just jams' for 2-3 years.

Good job on reading nothing and getting totally raged

I can't be bothered to pick apart your whole message, as it really is you just getting raged at thin air, so I'll just take the first little bit

"If you're a Tutor for Drum Students and the FIRST songs you tell them to learn are Judas Priest"........... I didn't say that was the first thing I recomend to my students, infact I didn't say I recomend playing to music what so ever, I said this is what I find fun to play to.

Anyway, peace.

This post was edited by dysgenics on Dec 23 2010 08:02am

I would just like to add that I know people who are, or have been in signed bands from "just jams" for as little as 1 year. I also know people who have had lessons for years and still can't keep a strait beat.

I can't actually say that taking lesson's gives better results, and thats from personal experience. It all depends on the person and the scenario. That said I will still reccomend lessons to absolutely everyone even if they don't want them. Once it's been tried and tested for a very good period then they can decide. I don't really join in on the general opinion to learning and studying music everyone has.

sorry about that, but you got me a bit annoyed with directly pointing your finger like a douche

Seeing as you would like to know some stuff about how I carry out my lessons I'll share with you: First lesson for £20 for 1 hour (usually £15 for half hour, £25 for one hour - and thats cheap!). This lesson includes a book and metronome for free. So basically first lesson free and you get to take home what you will be practicing in a book, not on some tatty manuscript paper with some bad music written in pencil. Well I think this is a good way to offer the first drum lesson to beginners anyway, and I fancy myself as a very good drum tutor, I make a full time living from it. For the amateur to advanced drummers, we will simply talk about what it is they want to learn and choose a book from my massive collection over the first or second lesson. I'll order that book for them for free.

I love people on JSP =]

This post was edited by dysgenics on Dec 23 2010 09:08am

I'd worry less about fills till you have a good understanding of rudiments and stuff

There's no need at all to practice rudiments if you find them extremely boring.

Dave Weckl never practiced rudiments. I only started practicing them about 3 years ago, and I havn't noticed much difference in my playing from them either.

But, just because you don't practice rudiments you never use like other drummers, doesnt mean you shouldn't practice the rudiments that you WILL use:

-Single stroke roll
-Double stroke roll (it goes without saying its also handy to practice 5, 7, 9 stroke rolls and so on, doubles and singles too ofc
-Single, double and triple paradidle
-Paradiddle-diddle
-Flams, just use the above rudiments and add flams in, start slow, flams are too important in groove playing to make bad habbits for

[It's good to practice all these with your left hand starting too, but for now just focus on starting with your main hand]

Even if you don't practice rudiments, you will be playing these ones above constantly. Don't forget all these have youtube video's to show you what they are ao you can give them an occasional 10 minutes with your metronome.

I would actually reccomend to play to songs, if thats what you want to do. Make sure you pick something with a constant beat, maybe just 1 or 2 changes through the whole song.

What you want to do, more than anything else, is to be be thinking CONSTANTLY of your technique. You need a voice in your head telling you to loosen those fingers, don't lean forward way too much, keep it smooth and relaxed.

Right now is the point where you need a teacher to really piss you off, because any half decent teacher will sit there and remind you of your positioning right now (especially how you hold your sticks and strike the drums), normaly with a new student I have to remind them every 2-4 minutes of playing. So make sure its always on your brain.

You can develop a hand technique that suits you once you have developed a tried and tested one which works erganomicly with your body. I developed my own grip after about 6-7 years of playing when I started to really crank up the speed I was playing at. It was only after 6-7 years I could really work all these things out in my hands. Jojo Mayer is the master of all hand techniques - but hes also a boring bastard to watch a whole dvd of.

Something to remember: If you groove well, you will be able to play for hours without playing a single fill, and no one will notice.

Also, I would wait untill you see someone actually playing before you trust a word they are telling you

This post was edited by dysgenics on Dec 24 2010 04:52am

Well lets be honest, Judas Priest have a massive range of music that goes from the extremes of Painkiller to the shite of United lol

Speaking of dave weckl made me go and watch his vids again

How to go about holding your sticks, obviously use the right hand grip on your left for matched:



I would like to add, my thumb goes off to the side with my grip, and I have complete finger control as you can see from my playing, so he's wrong by saying that. Most drummers will say something similar, telling you that 1 way is the right way. But essentially this vid is totally spot on.

And here's Derek Roddy giving some extremely VALUBLE INFORMATION for a new drummer, aswel as some info telling you how not to be a drumming douche bag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5nIvWOSLE

This post was edited by dysgenics on Dec 24 2010 05:20am

Virgil Donati ftw lol

Damn, I like almost all judas priest up to Jugulator... The earlier the better



He is amazingly co-ordinated! I think the right and left side of his brain were born with a partition between them to be honest!!
But, weirdly, he mainly seems to be a favorite among people who arent actually drummers

This post was edited by dysgenics on Dec 24 2010 09:24am