When the hell did the whole anti-Christianity / Satanic pose become mainstream??

And I don't just mean Billboard top 100 on the metal charts, I mean POP MUSIC mainstream:




You can mute the sound if you want; it's a terrible song.

But yeah; was just really surprised to see this kind of imagery in pop music, of all things.

I don't know but I'm not surprised at all, labels have enough money to make this product visible: rebellion sells to teenagers and preteens: unlimited cash

They even included orgies and bestiality. A nice touch.

I only clicked for the song

I'm not gonna go deep into this stuff because it will bring out all the trolls but a lot of pop music, or mainstream music in general really, has been depicting a lot of occult symbolism for a bit now. It's usually pretty subtle but there's some classic things that are often used. The all seeing eye is one. That's easily spotted in the first 10 seconds of the song, she puts her ring over one of her eyes, Jay Z does this all the time, in fact it's his logo. Now I'm not gonna go out and say that they are involved in some deep conspiracies or some shit like that, who really knows (and I would highly doubt it) but I will say that this occult symbolism and imagery has picked up a lot of traction lately, primarily because of the abundance of this sort of info on the internet. It's my personal feeling that these artists do it because they like the mysterious nature of it all, it's has some intrigue and like stated above... it sells. It gets to be a bit unsettling though. Why is it so intensely promenant in mainstream music lately? A quick Google search will expose a lot of this symbolism but it will also tend to bring up a lot of conspiracy related stuff. Take it all with a grain of salt and use your best judgement. All I can say, as somebody who has a huge interest in occultism and it's symbology, is that the symbolism is most definitely abundant here. Good eye.

Edit: Just finished the entire thing. The all seeing eye is featured heavily. She makes the motion with her hands at least twice, a very similar thing to that which Jay Z does, covering one eye to expose the other or framing one eye with fingers in a triangular shape. Also, at 3:10 the all seeing eye is flashed on the screen and again can be seen on her ass in the last scene where she opens the door when the cops come. The geometrical shapes flashing all over the screen the whole video are also very symbolic in sacred geometry, specifically the triangle is copiously used in this video. Not to mention the many inverted crosses and hexagons. Also the pentagram is featured in various forms many times and then even shapes within shapes depicting even deeper symbolic meanings. Again, who knows if this is what they intended. But I will say this: I am a graphic designer and I know from my job that nothing is created by accident. The shapes on screen, in my opinion, are not chosen at random as just some random visual element. Especially in a production of this magnitude with the amount of money being fueled into it I would argue that accidents are really not going to be the answer here. Sure maybe there's a few accidents but this video is filled with an enormous amount of symbolism and I don't think it was an accident. I think it has to do with probably not just Ke$ha but also the labels that produce this music. The question remains, why all the symbolism? It could be just to grab a target audience, very true, it could also be for darker reasons that are speculative at best. However, I think being aware of this symbolism is important because we are surrounded by it and once upon a time these were alchemical symbols that held great meaning to the old mystery schools where those who were elite were educated in many aspects of the world. Whether they still mean that now or not is to be argued, but their origin is undeniable.

This post was edited by HERETICtheory on Dec 10 2012 07:04pm

...holy hell. Didn't think this would spark genuine discussion.

Yeah, fo'sho; the HEAVY symbolism isn't by accident.

To what end? Dunno; could just be seen as an "edgy" trend, the way some Hollywood wanks were all in to Kabbalah a while back.

I'm not gonna get all "tinfoil hat" on people, and start suggesting ulterior/conspiracy motives, but I *do* think it's weird that this kind of symbolism is gaining traction in pop culture.

Next thing you know, they'll be selling Aleister Crowley t-shirts at the mall. Ha.


I can see it now: Crowley's face on a shirt, with "YOLO" below it, in foil print.

...

...I should totally trademark that idea...

2muchLSD

replacing A's with triangles is the coolest thing to do now too

What'd I tell ya?

Seriously though, how ignorant. So sorry to have wasted your time with thoughtful discussion, I forgot this was a site for retarded spelling and thoughtless spamming.

I guess the fact that I have an interest and can articulate it makes me ridiculous.

Hardly being ignorant; I read what you had to say and even spent seven minutes or so analyzing the video. Had no idea my vague humor would hit a soft spot.