that is NOT a hard show.

holy fuck, go watch bitter end in Houston and you see a hard crowd. that is pussy as fuck

goobers in pony tails trying to stagedive, probably glorious loads of weirdos push moshing, and was that a crowd vocal attempt?
that is certainly not a hardcore show.

Early 90s.......

Hatecore is a genre I like, but as I've posted, I listen to black flag, DK, Minor threat, all the good old bands. I've heard one song of theirs, its pop punk, that's not talented at all. Also, Pig squeals? Ohhh lawdy lawdy, you think I like deathcore/metalcore. I fucking hate pig squeals, I want those bastards out of my metal! They aren't metal, they are shit!

Have Heart is nowhere near pop punk, it's some of the most melodic and educated hardcore to ever hit the face of this earth.
your input is not helping much, moving on.

out of all the thrash shit you've posted this out does it by a mile stone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdUStsEJpuw

TXHC. its how we roll.

It's not the hardest show ever, but it is harder for the metal scene, we don't do all that, we are more for the blood being thrown, the crosses burning, the pagan signs, all that. I've seen biker shows, and dear god, I would never enter a pit with them, I'm manly enough to admit, I like black metal, I am not the biggest dude ever, and hells angels would kick my ass, and most likely, anyone heres ass.

They are a great band! I would think you would like them.

most people would lose to the hells angels due to the fact they are one of the biggest fucking biker gangs in the world. that has zero to do with hardcore music.

now THAT is a real hardcore set.
end of discussion. all opinions nullified.

This post was edited by penguinpoker on Nov 29 2010 08:20pm

Most bikers that I know like hardcore, and black metal, they are both. Go to a biker bar, and you will hear some hardcore, and some black metal. They are fucking insane though.