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Dec 11 2012 12:21am
Quote (Grime @ Dec 11 2012 12:57am)
Hardly being ignorant; I read what you had to say and even spent seven minutes or so analyzing the video. Had no idea my vague humor would hit a soft spot.


Not really a soft spot, I just would hope that if your humor was in an attempt to connect with me on a friendly level that you would realize that you were "vaguely" discrediting what I was saying. It's not like I know you so how do you expect me to take it? As far as the context of this thread goes, it was pretty ignorant as far as I'm concerned. Maybe if I knew you and we kid around often I might take it differently. If you meant it in a friendly way or something then I'm sorry to come off as harsh but I mean, I spent my time articulating my statement, I sort of hoped it would be met with equal thought.
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Dec 11 2012 12:48pm
never heard of the illuminati?

within 5 seconds of the video what do they put in your face? the pyramid.
5 seconds later, check out ke$ha's ring? the all seeing eye.
throughout the entire video you can see the pyramid with all seeing eye ( the one on the dollar bill )

and of course you see plent y of the 5 sided star (pentagram). checker'd black and white floors (used in masonic rituals)

you think kesha decided to put all this in there herself? No. She's an illuminati puppet being controlled to generate money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Dec 11 2012 01:07pm
I hate you for posting this.... re opend my illuminati obsession that I have been staying away from for the past 3 months or so
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Dec 11 2012 02:59pm
Quote (pyropunk @ 11 Dec 2012 12:07)
I hate you for posting this.... re opend my illuminati obsession that I have been staying away from for the past 3 months or so

Mission succe...




...uh, nothing. I said nothing. :P
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Dec 11 2012 04:43pm
Quote (pyropunk @ Dec 11 2012 01:48pm)
never heard of the illuminati?

within 5 seconds of the video what do they put in your face? the pyramid.
5 seconds later, check out ke$ha's ring? the all seeing eye.
throughout the entire video you can see the pyramid with all seeing eye ( the one on the dollar bill )

and of course you see plent y of the 5 sided star (pentagram). checker'd black and white floors (used in masonic rituals)

you think kesha decided to put all this in there herself? No. She's an illuminati puppet being controlled to generate money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


I couldn't agree more on your symbolic references, however, I do think it's a bit of a tightrope walk to attribute it to the "Illuminati." Don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying and some might consider me to be splitting hairs but I think it's important to recognize the many subtle layers and different groups of illuminated societies and their varying motives. It just seems to me that lately the term "Illuminati" has become a general blanket statement which encompasses many different sects of people and groups of thought when in reality it is a specific mention to a specific group of people. In fact, I would widely consider the Illuminati to be an entirely different order than the Freemasons, not to say that they haven't crossed paths before but they are indeed widely considered to be fundamentally different. I would assume in most cases when the term "Illuminati" is used that it is a reference to the Bavarian Illuminati attributed to Adam Weishaupt, which I am sure you are aware of, though there are other societies which have used the term as well so I find it necessary to differentiate. However, for those who might read this and have interest, I think attributing this particular example of media symbolism to any one group or "illuminated order" is a bit of an assumption on our part and could serve to scare away people who are genuinely interested. Though I do share your belief that Ke$ha herself has probably very little to do with any of it. I would think she is simply the carrier of the message, whether she is aware of it or not. Anyway, I share your obsession in researching and understanding the varying models of history as they pertain to the ancient, mysterious and occult. It really is some of the most fascinating historical stuff I have come across. Glad to see at least a few people on here share my interest.

This page provides a pretty quick and basic overview of some core principles behind the idea of sacred geometry and especially in relation to the teaching's of Pythagoras. It is from the AMORC website. http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest1_2009/05_web/ws_05_francini/ws_05_francini.pdf

While the focus of that particular page is on the Pythagorean Triangle, it is quite intertwined with the equilateral triangle as well (the one which is sprinkled throughout this video.) The Vesica Piscis is known as a deeply spiritual shape, and is found abundantly in this study of geometry, very notably in Nature's First Pattern which is often considered to be the basis of all geometrical shapes in nature. From the Vesica Piscis you can extrapolate an equilateral triangle, in the exact same form you would see it in the Triforce from the Zelda games. Relative to the video, the Vesica Piscis is also the shape of an eye, and also the shape of a vagina, where we now start to see a correlation between the all seeing eye and it's pyramid counterpart. Both examples are highly important because the eye is often the symbol of illumination and the vagina is the literal portal to life. The Vesica Piscis is often known as a spiritual portal, again back to Nature's First Pattern, as being the basis of all geometry.

Now again, back to the video. If you take this understanding, you can, yourself, start to extrapolate symbolism which is embedded inside of other symbolism. It's not difficult if you can spot shapes and understand their relationships to one another. A reference to the ancient idea of "as above, so below" or "as within, as without." Throughout the video many shapes are layered and embedded inside each other which create even more significant shapes, many of them vague references towards ancient philosophy and like stated in the original post, satanism. But before you jump at the thought of Satanism it must be said that Satanism is merely a modern take on an ancient set of ideas which has been mythologically embedded into another myth (that of the Christian faith) and because of the nature of Christianity to push the idea of "good vs evil" there becomes a tendency to prejudge the tenants of Satanism when really they would often be viewed in a very neutral light if taken out of the context of "good vs evil" because what we are really talking about is not so much "Satanism" as it is "humanism" which is considered by some to be the antithesis to God or the Divine. Again, back to the idea of the ascension of man, directly relating once again back to the premise of the Pythagorean triangle.

It really can go on forever. You can take it to mean nothing or you can take it to me something profound but either way, the symbolism has ancient origins. I wouldn't presume to know why it was put in this video but it comes across as very deliberate, perhaps just for the sake of getting people like us to post and talk about it online. :D Who knows but I find this stuff deeply fascinating and extremely significant in the spiritual aspects of the human experience. I appreciate the opportunity to share my interest with all of you.
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Dec 11 2012 04:55pm
Quote (HERETICtheory @ Dec 11 2012 10:43pm)
I couldn't agree more on your symbolic references, however, I do think it's a bit of a tightrope walk to attribute it to the "Illuminati."  Don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying and some might consider me to be splitting hairs but I think it's important to recognize the many subtle layers and different groups of illuminated societies and their varying motives.  It just seems to me that lately the term "Illuminati" has become a general blanket statement which encompasses many different sects of people and groups of thought when in reality it is a specific mention to a specific group of people.  In fact, I would widely consider the Illuminati to be an entirely different order than the Freemasons, not to say that they haven't crossed paths before but they are indeed widely considered to be fundamentally different.  I would assume in most cases when the term "Illuminati" is used that it is a reference to the Bavarian Illuminati attributed to Adam Weishaupt, which I am sure you are aware of, though there are other societies which have used the term as well so I find it necessary to differentiate.  However, for those who might read this and have interest, I think attributing this particular example of media symbolism to any one group or "illuminated order" is a bit of an assumption on our part and could serve to scare away people who are genuinely interested.  Though I do share your belief that Ke$ha herself has probably very little to do with any of it.  I would think she is simply the carrier of the message, whether she is aware of it or not.  Anyway, I share your obsession in researching and understanding the varying models of history as they pertain to the ancient, mysterious and occult.  It really is some of the most fascinating historical stuff I have come across.  Glad to see at least a few people on here share my interest.

This page provides a pretty quick and basic overview of some core principles behind the idea of sacred geometry and especially in relation to the teaching's of Pythagoras.  It is from the AMORC website.  http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest1%5F2009/05%5Fweb/ws%5F05%5Ffrancini/ws%5F05%5Ffrancini.pdf

While the focus of that particular page is on the Pythagorean Triangle, it is quite intertwined with the equilateral triangle as well (the one which is sprinkled throughout this video.)  The Vesica Piscis is known as a deeply spiritual shape, and is found abundantly in this study of geometry, very notably in Nature's First Pattern which is often considered to be the basis of all geometrical shapes in nature.  From the Vesica Piscis you can extrapolate an equilateral triangle, in the exact same form you would see it in the Triforce from the Zelda games.  Relative to the video, the Vesica Piscis is also the shape of an eye, and also the shape of a vagina, where we now start to see a correlation between the all seeing eye and it's pyramid counterpart.  Both examples are highly important because the eye is often the symbol of illumination and the vagina is the literal portal to life.  The Vesica Piscis is often known as a spiritual portal, again back to Nature's First Pattern, as being the basis of all geometry. 

Now again, back to the video.  If you take this understanding, you can, yourself, start to extrapolate symbolism which is embedded inside of other symbolism.  It's not difficult if you can spot shapes and understand their relationships to one another.  A reference to the ancient idea of "as above, so below" or "as within, as without."  Throughout the video many shapes are layered and embedded inside each other which create even more significant shapes, many of them vague references towards ancient philosophy and like stated in the original post, satanism.  But before you jump at the thought of Satanism it must be said that Satanism is merely a modern take on an ancient set of ideas which has been mythologically embedded into another myth (that of the Christian faith) and because of the nature of Christianity to push the idea of "good vs evil" there becomes a tendency to prejudge the tenants of Satanism when really they would often be viewed in a very neutral light if taken out of the context of "good vs evil" because what we are really talking about is not so much "Satanism" as it is "humanism" which is considered by some to be the antithesis to God or the Divine.  Again, back to the idea of the ascension of man, directly relating once again back to the premise of the Pythagorean triangle. 

It really can go on forever.  You can take it to mean nothing or you can take it to me something profound but either way, the symbolism has ancient origins.  I wouldn't presume to know why it was put in this video but it comes across as very deliberate, perhaps just for the sake of getting people like us to post and talk about it online. :D  Who knows but I find this stuff deeply fascinating and extremely significant in the spiritual aspects of the human experience.  I appreciate the opportunity to share my interest with all of you.



dont get me wrong i been obsessed with looking into the illuminati and all this sort of shit but you have taken it to a whole new level :D....you sound like the guy from Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons :P
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Quote (HERETICtheory @ Dec 11 2012 05:43pm)
I couldn't agree more on your symbolic references, however, I do think it's a bit of a tightrope walk to attribute it to the "Illuminati."  Don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying and some might consider me to be splitting hairs but I think it's important to recognize the many subtle layers and different groups of illuminated societies and their varying motives.  It just seems to me that lately the term "Illuminati" has become a general blanket statement which encompasses many different sects of people and groups of thought when in reality it is a specific mention to a specific group of people.  In fact, I would widely consider the Illuminati to be an entirely different order than the Freemasons, not to say that they haven't crossed paths before but they are indeed widely considered to be fundamentally different.  I would assume in most cases when the term "Illuminati" is used that it is a reference to the Bavarian Illuminati attributed to Adam Weishaupt, which I am sure you are aware of, though there are other societies which have used the term as well so I find it necessary to differentiate.  However, for those who might read this and have interest, I think attributing this particular example of media symbolism to any one group or "illuminated order" is a bit of an assumption on our part and could serve to scare away people who are genuinely interested.  Though I do share your belief that Ke$ha herself has probably very little to do with any of it.  I would think she is simply the carrier of the message, whether she is aware of it or not.  Anyway, I share your obsession in researching and understanding the varying models of history as they pertain to the ancient, mysterious and occult.  It really is some of the most fascinating historical stuff I have come across.  Glad to see at least a few people on here share my interest.

This page provides a pretty quick and basic overview of some core principles behind the idea of sacred geometry and especially in relation to the teaching's of Pythagoras.  It is from the AMORC website.  http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest1_2009/05_web/ws_05_francini/ws_05_francini.pdf

While the focus of that particular page is on the Pythagorean Triangle, it is quite intertwined with the equilateral triangle as well (the one which is sprinkled throughout this video.)  The Vesica Piscis is known as a deeply spiritual shape, and is found abundantly in this study of geometry, very notably in Nature's First Pattern which is often considered to be the basis of all geometrical shapes in nature.  From the Vesica Piscis you can extrapolate an equilateral triangle, in the exact same form you would see it in the Triforce from the Zelda games.  Relative to the video, the Vesica Piscis is also the shape of an eye, and also the shape of a vagina, where we now start to see a correlation between the all seeing eye and it's pyramid counterpart.  Both examples are highly important because the eye is often the symbol of illumination and the vagina is the literal portal to life.  The Vesica Piscis is often known as a spiritual portal, again back to Nature's First Pattern, as being the basis of all geometry. 

Now again, back to the video.  If you take this understanding, you can, yourself, start to extrapolate symbolism which is embedded inside of other symbolism.  It's not difficult if you can spot shapes and understand their relationships to one another.  A reference to the ancient idea of "as above, so below" or "as within, as without."  Throughout the video many shapes are layered and embedded inside each other which create even more significant shapes, many of them vague references towards ancient philosophy and like stated in the original post, satanism.  But before you jump at the thought of Satanism it must be said that Satanism is merely a modern take on an ancient set of ideas which has been mythologically embedded into another myth (that of the Christian faith) and because of the nature of Christianity to push the idea of "good vs evil" there becomes a tendency to prejudge the tenants of Satanism when really they would often be viewed in a very neutral light if taken out of the context of "good vs evil" because what we are really talking about is not so much "Satanism" as it is "humanism" which is considered by some to be the antithesis to God or the Divine.  Again, back to the idea of the ascension of man, directly relating once again back to the premise of the Pythagorean triangle. 

It really can go on forever.  You can take it to mean nothing or you can take it to me something profound but either way, the symbolism has ancient origins.  I wouldn't presume to know why it was put in this video but it comes across as very deliberate, perhaps just for the sake of getting people like us to post and talk about it online. :D  Who knows but I find this stuff deeply fascinating and extremely significant in the spiritual aspects of the human experience.  I appreciate the opportunity to share my interest with all of you.


you kind of tl;dr'd me,
but I want to say that when I use the term "Illuminati," I don't think of it as any specific group just as the general idea that there are secret societys controlling us.
for example : The secret society known as "Skull and bones," from Yale including many members high in congress, many many past presidents of the united states.
the "Skull and Bones" logo is flashed in front of your face at 10 seconds into the video, by the way.

Quote (TuCKeRBWS @ Dec 11 2012 05:55pm)
dont get me wrong i been obsessed with looking into the illuminati and all this sort of shit but you have taken it to a whole new level :D....you sound like the guy from Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons :P


yeah I thought of the Da Vinci Code too =)
anyone that has never read / saw the movie... check it out

This post was edited by pyropunk on Dec 11 2012 05:03pm
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Dec 11 2012 05:06pm
Over analyzing pop music using a gimmick to sell albums... :bonk:
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Dec 11 2012 05:14pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Dec 11 2012 04:06pm)
Over analyzing pop music using a gimmick to sell albums...  :bonk:


This. Mainstream music will do anything to sell albums, and kesha is a crazy whore.
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Dec 11 2012 05:23pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Dec 11 2012 06:06pm)
Over analyzing pop music using a gimmick to sell albums...  :bonk:


I never said that I claimed to know why they do it. Of course it's highly possible that it's a gimmick and I stated that, but you don't know any better than anybody else, clearly. As far as overanalyzing... I guess any thoughtful discussion on any subject is over analyzing? I'm curious as to what you would consider to be rational discussion. The discussion was brought up and I responded. Again, clever way to minimize a thoughtful discussion, thanks for keeping JSP braindead.

Quote (pyropunk @ Dec 11 2012 05:58pm)
you kind of tl;dr'd me,
but I want to say that when I use the term "Illuminati," I don't think of it as any specific group just as the general idea that there are secret societys controlling us.
for example : The secret society known as "Skull and bones," from Yale including many members high in congress, many many past presidents of the united states.
the "Skull and Bones" logo is flashed in front of your face at 10 seconds into the video, by the way.



yeah I thought of the Da Vinci Code too =)
anyone that has never read / saw the movie... check it out


Sad to hear that was too long for you to read... I kind of hoped you would provide some interesting insight. And yes, I assumed when you used the word "Illuminati" that is what you meant but I wanted to be very clear before all the kiddies come in here posting "lolilluminati" etc. Anyway, good catch on the S&B logo...

As far as my relation to Dan Brown... oh dear... Dan Brown is a storyteller, he mixes fact and fiction to tell stories. I am not telling a story or suggesting any answers as to why these symbols appears here. I am simply providing background context for the symbols that were flashed before your eyes. It is up to you to decide what it means to you. I have not read Brown's books, though I saw the Da Vinci Code movie and I must say, it was a terrible mix of fact and fiction which only led to further the insane conspiracy theories that are abundant, especially concerning the biblical "good vs evil" deal. I was very disappointed with it as it was a surface level examination (and manipulation through the context of a fictitious story) of a rich and deep history of esoteric teachings. It also exaggerates the impact of these teachings to create a compelling blockbuster hit.

Fuck... why I am even typing anymore, clearly nobody will read it. Guess I forgot this was JSP... just let this thread die in peace and I'll play the part of the crazy nut job as usual.
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