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2pac

Had this debate many times, when i was younger i said tupac 1 biggie close second but now i think about it different. Tupac is my absolute favorite rapper of all time and always will be. But, tupac really wasn't the greatest RAPPER, he didn't have great flow or anything else that people look at when talkin about a rapper. But what he did was tell you exactly how he felt, why he felt it, and made you feel it. Biggest had probably one of the best flows of all time, was a great freestyle rapper, and could write good songs, but also made more of a radio popular song. If you are talking about who was the better rapper technically it was biggie by far, but if you are talking about who was the better musician that was a rapper, it was tupac. Tupac was nothing but lyrics, they were not metaphors they didn't rhyme, but they were pure emotion.

This post was edited by tKWaterloo9 on Dec 1 2012 01:13pm

if 2pac doesnt have the best flow your english teacher didnt do a good job.

"rhyme/flow" or w/e u wanna call it derives from poetry and nothing else (also why whoever thinks "rap/hip-hop" was born in ny is silly)

no ones style comes close to what is actually considered great lyrical ability OTHER than pac.

which is funny, jay z doesnt know how to rap and biggie/nas only followed pacs steps

bdk/rakim did wat pic did first but not as good OR mean or add as much love into his music.


pac #1 when it comes to all aspects of comparing artists. NOW the only one attempting to even touch pacs reign is kendrick lamar

i know facts so if ur gna argue just dont.

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What your saying doesn't make sense, just because tupac was a poet does mean he is going to have a good flow."Flow" is defined as "the rhythms and rhymes" of a hip-hop song's lyrics and how they interact. Tupac didn't do this well, i actually can't really think of any song he did. Eminem is somebody who has great flow, he can go exactly with a beat while rapping. That is something that makes him really good, you get into his music because it is like in perfect tune. Not saying i am comparing eminem to tupac. I have hated eminem for most of his career because he made garbage music, but always respected his flow and lyrical ability, he just never used his lyricals for stuff that meant anything to him, until his last CD. I agree that rakim did what tupac did, but before him. To me the only person i feel that could come close is eminem, now that he is done with his garbage music and is talking about things that matter to him he is 10x better. But i still don't think he will ever be tupac, i honestly have never heard kendrick lamar because i always thought he was a singer not a rapper so i can't even answer to him. The fact that you are just stating that your right shows your ignorance though honestly. And whats funny is we are on the same side, i am a huge tupac fan, when i started listening to tupac i honestly stopped listening to almost all other rap for like a year and everyday just listened to tupac. But tupac was not a great rapper in a technical way, like there are rappers that are good rappers but don't write their own stuff and just make music sound good. To me i feel that is why kids now days don't listen to tupac as much and say biggie is better, because they are used to 1 hit wonders, what sounds good. Not what has a meaning, i got into tupac because he talked about what he cared about. Honestly, if tupac was a country singer i would have liked his music because the passion he put into it. I hardly listen to music that "sounds good" because they are garbage lyrics, someone like lil wayne, his music if you listen to it but dont pay attention it sounds good to listen to. But listen to the lyrics for 10 seconds and you hear him babbaling, nothing is even connected he is just saying random things, trying to make one liner "metaphors" but then tells you the metaphor. Listen to tupac and listen to biggie, compare the sound of the music what sounds better. It will be biggie almost every time. Then compare lyrics and it will be tupac.

uhhhhhh

lol 2pac made songs with better flow than biggie, before pac even taught biggie how to make money...


"strugglin" alone beats biggie.

i can think of many songs where pac slow flow > biggie slow flow

same i can think of many songs where pac fast flow > biggie fast flow

pac definately outshined basically every artist when you compare them as a whole


biggie had lkike 50 songs, 20 singles MAYBE ?

pac had more singles than biggies whole career.

oh and for metaphors dont think im gonna lie, pac did not use too many metaphors in his career. but its a fact that the song "me and my girlfriend" posed a greater metaphor and metaphorical imagery than all biggies metaphors together.

but then again when i think about metaphors, i think of it like thats an easy way to get rich, even if you suck for example lil wayne and many other trash artists. they made their career off metaphors so pac was right in staying away from that imo.

Honestly, i can tell that you can't distance yourself from your personal favorite. You are how i was when i was younger about it. I like every tupac song made and can listen to them all day and never get sick of them, but biggie sounds better. And as for what you said about metaphors i completely agree, tupac didn't do 1 liner metaphors he made whole a whole verse or song a metaphor. I agree with a lot of what you are saying and we feel the same way about tupac best of all time to us and always will be. But you are wrong about what the majority of people think about the flow. To you it does sound better because you want to hear him over biggie, but take lyrics out and just listen to what "sounds" better its biggie.

[QUOTE=tKWaterloo9,2 Dec 2012 10:24]Honestly, i can tell that you can't distance yourself from your personal favorite. You are how i was when i was younger about it. I like every tupac song made and can listen to them all day and never get sick of them, but biggie sounds better. And as for what you said about metaphors i completely agree, tupac didn't do 1 liner metaphors he made whole a whole verse or song a metaphor. I agree with a lot of what you are saying and we feel the same way about tupac best of all time to us and always will be. But you are wrong about what the majority of people think about the flow. To you it does sound better because you want to hear him over biggie, but take lyrics out and just listen to what "sounds" better its biggie.[/QUOTE]

i like the majority of wat u said here

but the sentence i underlined is your only rebuttal and it is incorrect. with facts of course

pac and biggie released 2 albums around the same time, biggie sold 2 mil in 2 years with 10x more videos and pac sold 5 mil in 2 months with 2 videos

facts>opinions my friend.

Not sure what fact you think it is? Tupac sold more because he appealed to more people. Everyone can relate to tupacs music. He was also a bigger name, biggie got bigger after he tupac died and after he did. That doesn't mean that people think tupac had a better flow. Me personally, i would rather a rapper be like tupac and not have these other qualities and be as good as him. You are trying to use a fact that doesn't represent what we are talking about to prove your opinion, because you can't distance yourself from it. You are a tupac fan, you like biggie more then tupac, so do i. But, biggie has one of the best flows if not the best, eminem gets like him in some songs and bone thugz and harmony are up there also, but tupac is not. If tupac had a better flow i think that younger generations would have liked his music more, but they didn't they turned to what sounded good. And if you ask a lot of them which is better they will say biggie because they don't listen to any of the words, they just turn it up in there cars with with big subs and don't listen to the words.