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Oct 23 2024 04:51pm
The way I understand the wording this unique aspect is that when you do critical hit, you regain 50% of what you spent in the last 2 seconds.

Yet it seems to function that you regain 50% of vigor you spent on the hit you did critical with.

Is this a bug or is my english bad.. What am I missing?

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Oct 23 2024 05:32pm
What do you mean? It’s working exactly the way it says it does.
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Oct 23 2024 07:21pm
Quote (junkie1991 @ 24 Oct 2024 01:32)
What do you mean? It’s working exactly the way it says it does.


Well the way I understand it is like this:
If I do 4 attacks in 2 seconds each draining all vigor due to Kepeleke, then I spent 400% vigor in last 2 seconds and this ring should give me 100% vigor back on crit even with 25% resouce roll (400% spent * 25% aspect = 100% vigor regain).

But instead I need 50% resource roll and 100% resource generation on top of that.

So what I dont understand here is that part "vigor you have spent in the last 2 seconds".

As far as I can say, the ring completely ignores what happend in the last 2 seconds, and only takes into account last hit. If your last hit spent 100% vigor, then you get back 50% of that * resource generation.

English is not my first language and this has been bugging me since season start. I genuinelly have no idea why it works the way it does, or rather I dont understand the desription at all.
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Oct 23 2024 07:48pm
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Well the way I understand it is like this:
If I do 4 attacks in 2 seconds each draining all vigor due to Kepeleke, then I spent 400% vigor in last 2 seconds and this ring should give me 100% vigor back on crit even with 25% resouce roll (400% spent * 25% aspect = 100% vigor regain).

But instead I need 50% resource roll and 100% resource generation on top of that.

So what I dont understand here is that part "vigor you have spent in the last 2 seconds".

As far as I can say, the ring completely ignores what happend in the last 2 seconds, and only takes into account last hit. If your last hit spent 100% vigor, then you get back 50% of that * resource generation.

English is not my first language and this has been bugging me since season start. I genuinelly have no idea why it works the way it does, or rather I dont understand the desription at all.


2 scenario.
1 If you cast quill(assuming you run quill as core), 1 quill cast will trigger Kepe at maximum vigor hence guaranteeing crit which then trigger midnight ring=> spend 100% get 50% back + your bonus resource generation = 100%
2 if you cast quill while not at maximum vigor, quill cost nothing to cast=> use 0 vigor get refund 0 vigor.


The ring in fact does not ignore the 2seconds on aspect but rather it keeps triggering on every single quill you cast at maximum vigor hence refill vigor on every quill cast

This post was edited by junkie1991 on Oct 23 2024 07:50pm
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Quote (junkie1991 @ 24 Oct 2024 03:48)
2 scenario.
1 If you cast quill(assuming you run quill as core), 1 quill cast will trigger Kepe at maximum vigor hence guaranteeing crit which then trigger midnight ring=> spend 100% get 50% back + your bonus resource generation = 100%
2 if you cast quill while not at maximum vigor, quill cost nothing to cast=> use 0 vigor get refund 0 vigor.


The ring in fact does not ignore the 2seconds on aspect but rather it keeps triggering on every single quill you cast at maximum vigor hence refill vigor on every quill cast


It still makes absolutely no sense to me. Which part of this means that the ring does not ignore the 2 seconds?

Can you please provide example with numbers, that would help me understand what you mean :)


Here are my numbers:

you attack 5 times, each spending 100% resources, you have 50% aspect ring, 65% resource generation and ravager 30%
then your ravager ends.

If the ring calculat all attack from last 2 seconds, this would not be a problem, since you spent 500% vigor in last 2 seconds, and you gain 500% * (50%*1,65) = 412% vigor back
this would mean that you could continue regaining 100% vigor back as long as you have more than 1 attack per second

but it does not work like this, and when ravager ends, you only gain 82,5% vigor back, which ends Kepeleke/Banished

What am I getting wrong?
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Oct 23 2024 08:33pm
Which parts of it ignores the 2secs? You have to keep in mind. You cannot spend 100% on 4 attacks in a row that all spent 100% vigor without the Kepe and ring triggers at the same time. If it only triggers once, then you can only spent 100%, the other 3 attacks spent 0 vigor
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Oct 23 2024 08:46pm
Quote (junkie1991 @ 24 Oct 2024 04:33)
Which parts of it ignores the 2secs? You have to keep in mind. You cannot spend 100% on 4 attacks in a row that all spent 100% vigor without the Kepe and ring triggers at the same time. If it only triggers once, then you can only spent 100%, the other 3 attacks spent 0 vigor


I can not answer you unsless you provide concrete example. You are too abstract for me, I dont know what are you talking about. You just keep repeating that it makes sense, but I dont know what you are saying.

So at least I will try to answer this: Which part ignores 2 seconds? The part where I said that if I make 5 attacks and THEN lose ravager bonus, I should still have enough resource regain to keep things going even without ravager.
Because I spent 500% vigor in last 2 seconds, I should be getting 412% back, in example given above.

BUT. I. DONT.
I only get back 82% vigor w/o ravager, because the ring ignores all attacks in last 2 seconds except for 1 last attack. It does not calculate vigor regained from 500% but from 100% spent.
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Oct 23 2024 09:23pm
Quote (DJVibrejtr @ Oct 24 2024 01:46pm)
I can not answer you unsless you provide concrete example. You are too abstract for me, I dont know what are you talking about. You just keep repeating that it makes sense, but I dont know what you are saying.

So at least I will try to answer this: Which part ignores 2 seconds? The part where I said that if I make 5 attacks and THEN lose ravager bonus, I should still have enough resource regain to keep things going even without ravager.
Because I spent 500% vigor in last 2 seconds, I should be getting 412% back, in example given above.

BUT. I. DONT.
I only get back 82% vigor w/o ravager, because the ring ignores all attacks in last 2 seconds except for 1 last attack. It does not calculate vigor regained from 500% but from 100% spent.


Ahhh. Now i’m starting to understand what you really meant. I think once the ring triggers, it delete all the history of vigor been used for the past 2 secs. So after ravager expires, your resource gen went down. The ring only counts that instance of resource gen which is 82%. It seems to ignore all the vigor usage after its previous trigger. Hence resulting into a 82% refil
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Oct 23 2024 09:30pm
Quote (junkie1991 @ 24 Oct 2024 05:23)
Ahhh. Now i’m starting to understand what you really meant. I think once the ring triggers, it delete all the history of vigor been used for the past 2 secs. So after ravager expires, your resource gen went down. The ring only counts that instance of resource gen which is 82%. It seems to ignore all the vigor usage after its previous trigger. Hence resulting into a 82% refil


So if I understand you correctly, when the ring procs, it resets the 2 seconds timer?

So it will cound last 2 seconds or time since last proc, whichever is shorter?

Do I get it now? :)
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Oct 23 2024 10:04pm
Quote (DJVibrejtr @ Oct 24 2024 02:30pm)
So if I understand you correctly, when the ring procs, it resets the 2 seconds timer?

So it will cound last 2 seconds or time since last proc, whichever is shorter?

Do I get it now? :)


In other words, what i mean is ring seems to not refund/count what it already refund before.

But you raised a very interesting question regarding the ring. Blizzard once again screwed up with their wording.

Yes you got exactly what i mean

This post was edited by junkie1991 on Oct 23 2024 10:18pm
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