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Oct 3 2024 01:29am
Why Paragon? Why this word? Whats the gain?

Why not increase max Char Level instead of decreasing it to continue this strange Dual Char Lvl / Paragon Lvl System from D3?

Make max. Char Level 100 or even 150 and build the now called Paragon points into that process as normal points you get from character Level Up.

Also stop calling the Board "Paragon Board". Call it Glyph Board or Passive Skill Board, unlock it at Level 50 or 60, whatever they like, and continue with the character level.

There is literally NO OTHER GAME, that lets you level after your character reached max. Lvl.
If you reach the limit, you reach a limit.
No need to continue with another limit. Its just stupid.
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Oct 3 2024 02:11am
Originaly it comes from Krip's video somewhere after d3 release, where he proposes "champion" levels and couple of months later blizzard put it in d3.

General idea was that is cool still to keep progressing "after" max level. As far as I remember Krip's idea was about not giving player much power when he gain "champion" levels.

Overall I agree, final paragon level is just real max level, so no point in it. Pretty common situation for modern blizzard.
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Oct 3 2024 03:03am
Quote (Madmaxio @ Oct 3 2024 10:11am)
Originaly it comes from Krip's video somewhere after d3 release, where he proposes "champion" levels and couple of months later blizzard put it in d3.

General idea was that is cool still to keep progressing "after" max level. As far as I remember Krip's idea was about not giving player much power when he gain "champion" levels.

Overall I agree, final paragon level is just real max level, so no point in it. Pretty common situation for modern blizzard.


Yeah its kind of crazy.

I dont see how any company would argue in favor of "Paragon" and stop character Lvl at an unappealing 60, when they can just lift it up to 100 or even further and give them the exact same tools.

No one, as far as I know - likes the Lvl 60 /xxx amount of Paragon design Lvls compared to a clear Lvl 100 or Lvl 150 character design. The way it feels and looks, the way progression would feel, the way its easier to understand and explain to new guys and so on....it would be so much less annoying to not have that unnecessary system on top of a system.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Oct 3 2024 03:29am
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Quote (Modulok2405 @ 3 Oct 2024 12:03)
Yeah its kind of crazy.

I dont see how any company would argue in favor of "Paragon" and stop character Lvl at an unappealing 60, when they can just lift it up to 100 or even further and give them the exact same tools.

No one, as far as I know - likes the Lvl 60 /xxx amount of Paragon design Lvls compared to a clear Lvl 100 or Lvl 150 character design. The way it feels and looks, the way progression would feel, the way its easier to understand and explain to new guys and so on....it would be so much less annoying to not have that unnecessary system on top of a system.


Technically yes, but think of it as real max level is 60 + 325 (or something), so its level 385 max for your character, lol.

This post was edited by Madmaxio on Oct 3 2024 06:19am
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Technically yes, but think of it as real max level is 60 + 325 (or something), so its level 385 max for your character, lol.


Not its not. Since Paragon point are received a lot more often. Until now it was 4 per Level. So 300 Paragon points would be 75 Char Levels now and if you'd reveive 5 points per Level from 60 onwards we'd have a max. Level of 120.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Oct 3 2024 08:27am
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