non tormented versions worth it??

If you can't kill Tormented, worth it. If you can kill Tormented and have stones, not worth it. There are many players willing to carry you for free if you got the mats.

Uber drop chance with non-tormented is 2%. Tormented is like 10%. 5x more chances is def. better.

Lord Zir is bugged right now, so he drops more items than he should. Doing the tormented version is very worth it. So far, I at least got 1 uber for every 10 tormented zir.

Hope that helps.

so...
Stygian Stones are best saved/used on Zir cause hes bugged
there for
using your andy/durrial mats for no tormented is worth because you want to use focus Zir for tormented