If you could take 29%light crit or 29% vulnerable damage which would you take and why?

I think you need some statistics of how often one thing occurs vs another. Sadly, there is no simple way in the game for player to compare which one is better.

Wheen looking on diablo 4 itemization it is the main question - +%% damage here, +%% damage there, 10 different conditions of things happening, mostly useless. How to compare all this? Everything scales with everything.

no idea about this game in particular, the only thing i can help with is the theory behind it so that might help idk

if you have multiplicative dmg increases, it basically comes down to where to add the bonus and how much. if the bonus is the same like in the case you gave, its relatively easy
x+y = p (x is increase of the first dmg multiplicative, y the second, and p is the total bonus you can spend)
dmg = (1+x)*(1+y) = (1+x)*(1+p-x) = 1+p-x+x+px-x*2 = -x*2+px+(p+1)
max(x) = -p/-2 = p/2
meaning max(y) is also p/2 meaning x = y

MEANING if you have multiplicative bonuses, you get the highest dmg if you keep them as close to each other as possible. if you can pick 50% total increase to both a and b, its better than if distribute it randomly, and the worst is if you double the first or second and leave the other one untouched. and in your case since its either/or where to add the entire multiplier, you will get it closer to a square if you just increase the one that was lower to begin with i know all of this is logical and there may be other factors, but still it might help


ofc if the dmg increases are additive then it doesnt matter where you add cause x+p+y = x+y+p (i used same letters but those arent the same as in the first case)

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Feb 11 2024 09:28am

That's the power of Snyft.

aww thanks ! i always try to help my brothers !

Not to detract from snyft but lightning crit hits twice compared to regular crit

You must be a lightning build, so id say the crit is going to be better it gets a x50 multiplyer compared to vulnerables x20 I believe it is

They use to double dip off each other but now only overpowers an crits do

okay guys you know what
fuck this games mechanics

if only this is the change, then this (assuming multiplicative):

x+y = p (x is increase of the first dmg multiplicative, y the second, and p is the total bonus you can spend)
dmg = (1+x)*(1+y) = (1+x)*(1+p-x) = 1+p-x+x+px-x*2 = -x*2+px+(p+1)
max(x) = -p/-2 = p/2
meaning max(y) is also p/2 meaning x = y

becomes this:

x+y = p (x is increase of the first dmg multiplicative, y the second, and p is the total bonus you can spend) // nothing changed
dmg = (1+2x)*(1+y) = (1+2x)*(1+p-x) = 1+p-x+2x+2px-2x*2 = -2x*2+x(2p+1)+(p+1) // important change because now you will get a flat number in max
max(x) = -(2p+1)/-4 = p/2 + 1/4 // there
max(y) = p-p/2-1/4 = p/2 - 1/4

now this means that any total addition below 50% (0.5), and you are literally better off cutting the y in favor of x (cause (p of anything less than 0.5)/2<(1/4) and ideal y addition total will be negative)
for example if total increase is 40% the ideal distribution would be to remove 5% off y and add all of it to x to get 45% increase to x

without much tldr, this means that for any total addition of lower or equal to 50%, you dont even need to do the math and just add all to the crit, and for anything over 50% total add you need to calculate the max for both crit (x) and vuln (y)
ofc translate the percentage to a flat number by dividing by 100, for example p=70% is 0.7

im in a rush but this is also probably useless if theres some other mechanics so whatever
read for personal fun if someone is into math, otherwise skip





edit: fucking doublepost

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Feb 12 2024 10:42am