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Nov 21 2023 12:56pm
My brother recently got his Shako. He's trying to decide between Shako and Visage. He says he's tried to google it and everything says Visage is still BIS, but I can't believe that. Thoughts? IMO - Shako is BIS for almost all builds.
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Nov 21 2023 01:29pm
I don't know anything about Necro. Is deathless recommended on the best Bone Spear guides? If so then it must be better for that build.
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Nov 21 2023 01:43pm
Imo shako trumps everything unless the unique your running if build defining

Dmg reduction
Life
4 to all skills
All stats
Etc

Shako is just best flat out
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Nov 21 2023 02:02pm
Quote (TheMoose06 @ Nov 21 2023 11:56am)
My brother recently got his Shako. He's trying to decide between Shako and Visage. He says he's tried to google it and everything says Visage is still BIS, but I can't believe that. Thoughts? IMO - Shako is BIS for almost all builds.


Yes shako is BiS for every build except a few that use tempest roar.

If you have a shako, use a shako.
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Nov 21 2023 03:00pm
Thanks for the input dudes
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Nov 21 2023 09:04pm
Quote (TheMoose06 @ Nov 21 2023 01:56pm)
My brother recently got his Shako. He's trying to decide between Shako and Visage. He says he's tried to google it and everything says Visage is still BIS, but I can't believe that. Thoughts? IMO - Shako is BIS for almost all builds.


those guides are assuming you dont ever find a shako. its the hardest item to find. What they will do is put it in side notes somewhere in the guide that will tell you to use shako if you ever find one lol
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Nov 21 2023 11:49pm
I've tested both and they're pretty close tbh. Visage explosions procs lucky hit for essence regen so it helps in boss fights.
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Nov 22 2023 04:45am
Deathless Visage is better because the bs necro is a glass cannon.

So you are always trying to max out DMG especially after the crit/ vul nerf.
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Nov 22 2023 07:32am
For BS Necro, people always seem to overlook the substantial damage boost that + max essence provides as well...
While Shako is very nice, and an upgrade for virtually everyone, it's not the case for ALL classes and builds.

For survival, Shako is definitely better, but in terms of DPS, the Visage wins.
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Nov 22 2023 07:36am
game is easy mode right now, so doesnt matter
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