Quote (Snyft2 @ Jul 26 2023 03:30pm)

https://i.imgflip.com/7tujfr.jpg

not the most appropriate meme cause its not technically related to what you said...still usable for later though ^_^


i mean...well yeah. jsp is a 3rd party way to cheat the system...but i think we shouldnt see that as something bad :blush: ! i mean, the trading system was shit, jsp just offered an advantage. i use jsp so i belong to a masterrace and im not even sorry. and jsp was indeed responsible for bots (at least back when jsp was based), but i mean, why are bots so bad? back when i played d2, everyone had bots. some people had 1, some had 100...there was no hate or envy really! we could go out, have fun, or even sleep, and when we came back, we would see a ber or jah, griffon, coa, other fun thingies...it was awesome! the bots did the dirty work and we would just enjoy the game! everyone actually loved having bots and no one saw it as a problem


SO CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME! my theory is this: bot hate is astroturfed :mellow: its just not genuine. what i believe happened is this: gaming companies these days care the most about player money/time spent; this is done by buying mtx for items, grinding for extremely rare items, or straight up paying for items. either way its all about items. and bots give you items, for free! so bots are a problem, not for the player, but for the company :mellow: gaming companies before would just ban bots, but then they invented a much better strategy: make people hate bots, while implementing "solutions" that would actually serve other purposes (non tradable uniques arent there to fight bots, but carrot on a stick item to keep the player grinding), but mask those fake solutions as being implemented to fight the "bot issue". in reality, there never was a bot issue. everyone who played d2 knows bots were a big positive for the players :blush: !

ty for reading men

Quote (Crossed @ Jul 27 2023 01:42am)

Why is botting bad?
Why is cheating bad?
Why is aim botting/wall hacking bad?
Why is P2W bad?

These all provide unfair advantages people have over others.

Now you can certainly make the case to downplay botting in certain video games because you personally don't see it in the same competitive atmosphere as others but in no way whatsoever can you justify the ethics of it.

If you need to bot to have fun in a game then quite frankly that game sucks.

Quote (Crossed @ Jul 26 2023 04:42pm)

Why is botting bad?
Why is cheating bad?
Why is aim botting/wall hacking bad?
Why is P2W bad?

These all provide unfair advantages people have over others.

Now you can certainly make the case to downplay botting in certain video games because you personally don't see it in the same competitive atmosphere as others but in no way whatsoever can you justify the ethics of it.

If you need to bot to have fun in a game then quite frankly that game sucks.

Quote (Snyft2 @ Jul 26 2023 06:30pm)

SO CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME! my theory is this: bot hate is astroturfed :mellow: its just not genuine. what i believe happened is this: gaming companies these days care the most about player money/time spent; this is done by buying mtx for items, grinding for extremely rare items, or straight up paying for items. either way its all about items. and bots give you items, for free! so bots are a problem, not for the player, but for the company :mellow: gaming companies before would just ban bots, but then they invented a much better strategy: make people hate bots, while implementing "solutions" that would actually serve other purposes (non tradable uniques arent there to fight bots, but carrot on a stick item to keep the player grinding), but mask those fake solutions as being implemented to fight the "bot issue". in reality, there never was a bot issue. everyone who played d2 knows bots were a big positive for the players :blush: !

ty for reading men

Quote (zorzin @ Jul 27 2023 03:07am)

CONSPIRACY TIME, BEST TIME!

ya you could definitely be right about this fam, the more I am starting to understand blizza4ds monetization schemes the more plausible it seems that they would want to paint jsp and botters in a bad light so you just buy directly from them. This doesn't even seems that far fetched.

I'm also calling it now, they gona roll out extra stash tabs for cash as well as xp bonuses in later seasons!

Quote (Snyft2 @ Jul 26 2023 09:09pm)

indeed brother ^_^ !

they are probably gonna hire a couple straight white men to solve the stash tab problem because they actually need a fast and efficient solution for that, hurts the monetization hard :P

Quote (UsEr_SeLeCtEd @ Jul 20 2023 01:07pm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXqzH8wCyg

pretty much hits the nail on the head why this game feels like corporate mobile trash.

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Jul 26 2023 05:50pm)

gonna say something that will blow your mind

you're a SSF player right. in that context, do you think botting is still bad?

Quote (Crossed @ Jul 26 2023 11:03pm)

Me being a SSF player depends on the game.
For example I am a SSF player in Poe and D4 (I want D4 to either have SSF servers or to nerf group exp and implement an AH in the game).

The reason for this is because in D4 grouping 100% of the time is OP and trading is annoying right now, I don't want to engage with those systems and because of that I'm put at a disadvantage.
In Poe trading isn't that annoying but it is majorly P2W so again I'm put at a disadvantage.

In Runescape I didn't play SSF because trading through the Grand Exchange was easy and painless.
RMT has been taken care of moderately well.
And you only needed to find a group for a small fraction of content which wasn't hard or too time consuming to find.

I still think you're a piece of shit if you are botting or hacking in any game but in SSF it doesn't really affect me so I don't care as much.
Same thing would apply to any single player game like I don't give a fuck if you want to bot The Witcher 3, but I do think if you're doing that you're a total retard.

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Jul 27 2023 03:38am)

"In Poe trading isn't that annoying but it is majorly P2W so again I'm put at a disadvantage."

this might be where you got the SFF mindset from. i understand your point as it can feel like that, but it's like driving in real life, there's always gonna be traffic unless you're a cop running code 3. it's the same in arpgs, there's always gonna be RMTers and bigger fish in an online game, unless you are the whale.

just play the game (drive alongside the traffic) like the rest of the turds, and enjoy the experience and understand you're not at a disadvantage in the grand scheme of things, as all the other drivers are driving in the traffic like you and have to yield to the p2wers (emergency vehicles)

stupid analogy i used, but it works