Quote (Snyft2 @ 3 Dec 2024 16:03)

im hitting boogie2988 levels of fencesitting here, but yall raise valid points. i will also share my opinion which really adds nothing new to the discussion but oh well!

d2 will never be replaced. yes its true that the genre is now too "simple" and isnt done anymore, but i dont see why simplicity is bad at all. as terry davis said, the retard is impressed by complexity, the genius is impressed by simplicity. also i think a game should engage you physically much more than mentally (which d2 also did right), as one of the main purposes of learning is to not actually need to use intelligence to solve problems. brain just doesnt like to be used much. for example i can play chess but am horrible at football. yet i still enjoy football much more than chess :wacko:

so d2 > all and that will NEVER change, simply because simplicity is needed for good pvp, and pvp is what brings long term value to a game. complex system is the bane of good pvp anywhere :mellow:


poe2 will hopefully cater to a specific niche, the guys who play dark souls. its a smart move by ggg because it brings two different audiences, poe1 will attract the builders and poe2 will attract the hardcore guys. one thing is for certain though, neither will attract casuals (which d4 does), so i dont see poe or poe2 stealing players from d4

Quote (Ashture @ 6 Dec 2024 01:50)

After playing the ptr my vote is for D4
Note I was too lazy to read the 4 pages of comments.

Quote (Snyft2 @ Dec 3 2024 02:03pm)

poe2 will hopefully cater to a specific niche, the guys who play dark souls. its a smart move by ggg because it brings two different audiences, poe1 will attract the builders and poe2 will attract the hardcore guys. one thing is for certain though, neither will attract casuals (which d4 does), so i dont see poe or poe2 stealing players from d4

Quote (Snyft2 @ Dec 8 2024 10:37pm)

okay so this was a horrible take it appears :cry: it never occurred to me that arpg players simply arent into dark souls and that 95% would hate this :mellow:

Quote (GodBless @ 10 Dec 2024 11:10)

well most people that play diablo, there are a ton here want (and refuse to admit it):
a super easy game
crazy fast builds with minimum efforts
feel like they are gods at the game
want others to struggle to feel like they are gods, and when others also destroy the easy content, blame blizzard

Quote (DJVibrejtr @ Dec 10 2024 09:32pm)

You are just imagining this and projecting your own ideas and values on others.
Its not that people are refusing to admit anything, thats just your own projetion on others, people simply dont value games based on how "hard" they are.
Not to mention that I would not even really call PoE2 hard in any meaningful sense... No PvE game is. Trained monkey could beat PoE2, its just tedious and time consuming.

Game like SC2, which is harder strategically, tactically and mechanically, does not let you just learn 3 boss mechanics and win that way. In PvP games, other people adapt to your play and that whats makes it hard.
The idea that PoE is somehow "too hard" for people, bcs you need to learn 3 boss mechanics and then execute them 200 times in a row, is ridiculous. Its not really hard, just tedious and time consuming.

Its just a stupid concept. Im not interested in wasting my time figuring out how to beat (semi)scriped boss fight than I want to waste time beating 1v7 Insane AI in SC2. Call it "hard" if you want, but this attitude is just pretentious, snobbish and elitist.

Quote (DJVibrejtr @ Dec 11 2024 07:32am)

You are just imagining this and projecting your own ideas and values on others.
Its not that people are refusing to admit anything, thats just your own projetion on others, people simply dont value games based on how "hard" they are.
Not to mention that I would not even really call PoE2 hard in any meaningful sense... No PvE game is. Trained monkey could beat PoE2, its just tedious and time consuming.

Game like SC2, which is harder strategically, tactically and mechanically, does not let you just learn 3 boss mechanics and win that way. In PvP games, other people adapt to your play and that whats makes it hard.
The idea that PoE is somehow "too hard" for people, bcs you need to learn 3 boss mechanics and then execute them 200 times in a row, is ridiculous. Its not really hard, just tedious and time consuming.

Its just a stupid concept. Im not interested in wasting my time figuring out how to beat (semi)scriped boss fight than I want to waste time beating 1v7 Insane AI in SC2. Call it "hard" if you want, but this attitude is just pretentious, snobbish and elitist.

Quote (junkie1991 @ 12 Dec 2024 05:31)

don't think 'hard' are referring to game mechanics. this is diablo genre, just slash & dash kind of game. so there is no skills involved in the whole diablo sequel. game is like playing a slot machine where you kill things to loot things. once every few times you get a great loot. that's the fun of diablo.
now says if i refer d4 as 'easy' diablo, the looting system is shit. the itemization diversity is shit, the drop rate is too high that i could pretty much gear out my character after 2 weeks playing, and not to mention i can just run a mediocre gear set up and still finish pit 150 under 10mins. so yes, d4 keeps getting easier and easier every season. now with the duping going nuts, there's no doubt d4 will fall if they can't deal with it.