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Dec 15 2023 07:14am
Quote (jackherer @ Dec 15 2023 01:25pm)
Interesting question if d2 and d4 were released at the same time which game would have more players?


a theoretical question with no chance of ever testing it? im in :drool:

okay so first of all, we need to control for all the factors we can! first factor, expectations! expectations can interfere a lot, theres a shitload of videos with ppl blind testing drinks on the street and rating the same drink higher just because it was in a prettier bottle. brands like clase azul have to thank pretty bottles for 90% of their sales because holy shit thats a bad tequila :wacko: anyways heres how expectations distort the experience (only one guy gave the answer that is now accepted as correct one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVFmaKtksg

so we have to imagine that either: both d2 and d4 were new games, or that both d2 and d4 were successors to d1 (we are doing this to remove the tailwind d4 has directly thanks to d2), where case #2 would have higher absolute numbers, but hopefuly not too much difference in relative numbers :unsure: case #2 seems more realistic though, so lets go with that! so we got 2 games, both successors to d1. lets call d2 "baal" and d4 "mephisto" (technically should be lilith but lilith is a girl name and that can actually affect sales, so we take both same sex names)

now the more important question, should we control for graphics (assume same graphical standards)? because if we do, baal (d2) has even more of an advantage. but, if we dont, we might have to accept other differences as well (such as players, zoomers have been primed into the current business model "meta" so to say and that favors d4). so again its either or: same graphics quality but also same audience/actual graphics from the time but also the same audience from the time. in case #2 here d2 would absolutely annihilate d4 because players from d2 time were very averse to the current gaming meta. so lets take case #1! 2023 graphics, 2023 audience.

this is actually not that hard to imagine as we have d2r, which despite being only a bad copy of a game everyone has played for way too long, has a much more stable population. and stability gives higher numbers over time, high peak means nothing if you cant keep it up through time as what matters is the absolute player time count, which is basically the surface area below the player count curve (remember calculus and shiet). basically even d2r will in time have (if it doesnt already) more player hours than d4 (note that this is an irl example which doesnt even control for expectations factor)

NOW IMAGINE WHAT D2 WOULD HAVE :drool:




so d2 > d4 gg ty men best regars

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Dec 15 2023 07:33am
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Quote (Snyft2 @ Dec 15 2023 08:14am)
a theoretical question with no chance of ever testing it? im in :drool:

okay so first of all, we need to control for all the factors we can! first factor, expectations! expectations can interfere a lot, theres a shitload of videos with ppl blind testing drinks on the street and rating the same drink higher just because it was in a prettier bottle. brands like clase azul have to thank pretty bottles for 90% of their sales because holy shit thats a bad tequila :wacko: anyways heres how expectations distort the experience (only one guy gave the answer that is now accepted as correct one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVFmaKtksg

so we have to imagine that either: both d2 and d4 were new games, or that both d2 and d4 were successors to d1 (we are doing this to remove the tailwind d4 has directly thanks to d2), where case #2 would have higher absolute numbers, but hopefuly not too much difference in relative numbers :unsure: case #2 seems more realistic though, so lets go with that! so we got 2 games, both successors to d1. lets call d2 "baal" and d4 "mephisto" (technically should be lilith but lilith is a girl name and that can actually affect sales, so we take both same sex names)

now the more important question, should we control for graphics (assume same graphical standards)? because if we do, baal (d2) has even more of an advantage. but, if we dont, we might have to accept other differences as well (such as players, zoomers have been primed into the current business model "meta" so to say and that favors d4). so again its either or: same graphics quality but also same audience/actual graphics from the time but also the same audience from the time. in case #2 here d2 would absolutely annihilate d4 because players from d2 time were very averse to the current gaming meta. so lets take case #1! 2023 graphics, 2023 audience.

this is actually not that hard to imagine as we have d2r, which despite being only a bad copy of a game everyone has played for way too long, has a much more stable population. and stability gives higher numbers over time, high peak means nothing if you cant keep it up through time as what matters is the absolute player time count, which is basically the surface area below the player count curve (remember calculus and shiet). basically even d2r will in time have (if it doesnt already) more player hours than d4 (note that this is an irl example which doesnt even control for expectations factor)

NOW IMAGINE WHAT D2 WOULD HAVE :drool:




so d2 > d4 gg ty men best regars


D2>d4 confirmed! Thank you for the detailed explanation and anyone disagreeing with the above statement is wrong.
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Dec 15 2023 08:34am
Quote (jackherer @ 15 Dec 2023 15:25)
The game on the whole is pretty good


Lol what, please name at least one thing which you think is implemented good in diablo 4?

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Dec 15 2023 08:49am
Quote (Madmaxio @ Dec 15 2023 02:34pm)
Lol what, please name at least one thing which you think is implemented good in diablo 4?


Even you who hates d4 could name one good thing about it.

Honestly your posts are as bad as angry wirts. Bias and moronic.
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Dec 15 2023 09:33am
The good thing about Diablo 4 is watching people defend modern blizzard, just wait til season 37, the best is yet to come!
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Dec 15 2023 09:47am
Quote (zorzin @ Dec 15 2023 02:58pm)
D2>d4 confirmed! Thank you for the detailed explanation and anyone disagreeing with the above statement is wrong.


:lol:
ty brother! :hug:

to quote anthony fauci
I AM THE SCIENCE

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Dec 15 2023 09:47am
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Quote (WhiskeyRunz @ Dec 15 2023 07:33am)
The good thing about Diablo 4 is watching people defend modern blizzard, just wait til season 37, the best is yet to come!


i've given up at this point, it's just so bad
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Dec 15 2023 12:03pm
No need to make posts like this just because you suck at the game.

It is not D2. Blizzard North is dead. Either play or don't, but y'all's incessant bitching won't do anything.

A wise man once said....It is what it is.
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Dec 15 2023 03:41pm
Quote (yamabigdog @ Dec 15 2023 09:03am)
No need to make posts like this just because you suck at the game.

It is not D2. Blizzard North is dead. Either play or don't, but y'all's incessant bitching won't do anything.

A wise man once said....It is what it is.


i wont play, got it.
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Dec 15 2023 04:30pm
Quote (yamabigdog @ Dec 15 2023 01:03pm)
No need to make posts like this just because you suck at the game.

It is not D2. Blizzard North is dead. Either play or don't, but y'all's incessant bitching won't do anything.

A wise man once said....It is what it is.

Your second sentence contradicts your first sentence

Only people here bitching are the fags that think d4 is playable

This post was edited by GodlyWirt on Dec 15 2023 04:31pm
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