Yea maybe if you're doing overworld, glyphs or even the gauntlet, the only challenge lays in the pit and pushing your charc to its peak, im glad levelling is easy, I have 11 charcs lvl 100 and it always feels like a job to lvl to 100, I just want to get to min maxing and finding my forever gear.

more working builds, better itemization, less random. it is easy to make a build but hard to perfect. And you can be sure that few days time investment will allow you to play in way what you want. For 1.5 years playing d2r I got 2 bers 3 jahs and 0 griffons. And no even ww barb and 5 open windows do not help. In d4 you can be sure that you will be able to play build you want\



I was asking you about non-casual thing you were doing in diablo series, not about grinding. Looks like you can not answer to that simple question. Bcs all diablo series are casual as fck in 99% of gameplay. No skill required. Sad but true.
And if all series can not attract any hardcore players - it is okay that Blizzard do what they do. People do not want spend hours in lvling, they want their paragon to start playing. And it is wonderful that Blizzard hear people.
Dads like can continue grinding your perfect helm in d2 and looking for 3/20/20 with same skins.
Also, tag me when you will get your 4 GA shako in d4 with all mworks in cd. Which will be the best helm. Hope you will not spend 20 years for this

dude keeps bringing d2 back in for what lol? do you hate d2 with a passion or something? lmao. what the heck do you mean by casual? keep saying casual this casual that, but the heck you mean lol. you sound like a mad man mate. Look d4 players these days either login to do 50 runs of pit, or uber bosses run, or just farm helltide bosses. that's called grinding to me. Now with that being in your head, since doing pit 130 or even 200 wouldn't really be anywhere rewarding in term of loots/mats. They are only for self challenge or pushing a character to its peak with given gear. So the op is right about making the game easier is a stupid way to go because going 170 or 200 with everything nerfing down would not be a challenge. what does 4ga Shako benefit me? absolutely nothing but only need the cdr affix ga. if you wanna compare games then compare properly. a 3/20/20 enable builds to work. a ga shako is no different to a normal shako. and for the last time, please stop bringing your obsession with d2 in lol. i have not mentioned or compared anything related to d2 at all.

This post was edited by junkie1991 on Jun 17 2024 08:39am

in d4 you can play any build you want, just like d2. but in d4, a shitty build will fall way further behind given the damage buckets + the increasing difficulty with something like greater rifts. not to mention being obligated to also run some sort of crowd control or debuff like vulnerable in every build which kills meta build diversity.
d4 sorc is a great example where all builds run the same 4 skills + 2 damage dealers of your choice. its bad and stupid.

d2 and d4 have about the same amount of builds over all.

d2 has way better itemization. d4 isnt even close.

d4 items are way more random. i know what affixes i will get on hoto/enigma, it isnt random, its just the rolls that vary like d4 uniques. but in d4 you can get much more randomness from legendaries and their affixes before you imprint the needed legendary aspect.
needing to hit particular breakpoints in d2 means its itemization is a hell of alot less random. d2 magic finding is much more random, and one of the reasons d2 > d4. d4 drops are shit compared to d2, proof lies in needing to duriel runs 9000 times since its the only place for a reasonable chance at a shako. where in d2 you can get the best items in more than a dozen different locations.

you seriously sound like you have no idea what youre talking about...

This post was edited by C4NTWO on Jun 17 2024 08:59am

D2 is dope I really spent two decades only playing sorc or paladin great variety, and the non stop qol updates they brought to the game were awesome

given today's standards and expectations, d2 has its issues and limitations but its a 20+ year old game now. people often conveniently forget that, but most of the core game mechanics in that game are top notch and were implemented way better than anything done in d4. christ, d4 can't even award players their sparks properly...

This post was edited by C4NTWO on Jun 17 2024 08:56am

bcs it is dead game in 2kxx realities and which was starting point in building d4. Thanks god, Blizzard understand that it will not work now

By casual I mean that you can play game eating KFC and drinking beer same time. And this will not affect result in most cases. Game requires only your time, not your skills or brain. It is valid for all diablo games.

As an example you said you cannot get bis helm for 20 years in d2. Why you talk about d2? Some kind of mad fan or what? What does right perfect resists benefit me? Absolutely nothing, but you are talking about bis. So Shako should be with 4ga 3mw in cd. Go and try to farm it.



ye ye, tell me how you can not farm whole locations in d2 bcs of monster immunities or armor lvl lol
Also we can talk about *rolls* on enigma. 1 uber item needed for 90% of build with 50 armor roll window. When you either dont care about armor or have 14k+ of it. What a good itemization
Or we can talk about not working sets. Or runewords when spirit is better then almost all available options. Or about not working uniqies. To be honest, amount of non working uniqies and skills are same in both games, its true.
Also do you prefer 140 def shako or lowend 110 one?

oh okay, now i understand what you mean by 'casual', you were refering to game's difficulties. yep, the whole diablo sequel was never about game difficulty or skills, it has always been a dungeon game where you pretty play to farm and collect stuffs for holy grail collection. so on the game difficulty level, d2 d3 d4 are the same. itemization-wised, d2 has a lot more diversity than d4(but chill your pill, d4 has just came to its 4th season so i don't expect it to beat a legacy of the game). What i mean by 20 years later i still can't find a bis helm in d2 is that what's bis today isn't bis tomorrow, the roll on an item has so much diversity that up until today, some dude found a ring that was never seen before and was sold for thousands and thousands of fg, and better yet, a better ring can be found too if someone has the luck. FYI, d2 was given up by Blizzard so long ago that the game itself was ran by some other group such as pd2... d2 has kept living on because of the players not blizzard. later on blizzard went on to make d2r so people can buy it. look how big of a hit that was considering the game is so old and it was just a reskin but not much addition to the gameplay. they can't give d2 more update simply because the dev team for d2 ain't there anymore. if you love the diablo sequel, you simply can not keep on bashing d2. d4 is still a young game, still needs more contents to be added, and i mean real contents and balancing not nerfing monsters and buffing players. having said that, the op's opinions are right, pointless nerfing monsters and buffing players as pushing to pit 200 is just a self challenge. nerfing bosses health, tormented bosses's health is hilarious, any good geared barb can already kill tormented bosses prenerf in about 15 seconds lol.

d2 has itemization down to a T. if you play single player and find a rare or even a blue, you pick up that item so fast your head will spin. and it feels amazing when it's an upgrade. d4 has this affect slightly, but it's far stronger in diablo 2. i could never really say "it's better"




i've been playing for nearly 2 decades and i've personally only found around 3 high runes. you finding that many in 1.5 hrs is insanely good RNG! that never stopped me from enjoying a build though, because of the economy and free trade. if i needed an item for another build, i'd grind and then sell other items for FG. then use that FG to buy it. you can also get rushed in d2 and leveling up a new character for a build is really easy. don't disagree with you there. it's easy on d4 too. go do some helltide rituals and start allocating skills and bam you got your build going. however you might need some legendary affixes



This post was edited by ChocolateCoveredGummyBears on Jun 18 2024 12:20am