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Aug 19 2023 07:24am
Quote (staragsj @ 19 Aug 2023 15:23)
a fair and honest opinion from someone who has played the game a lot.

damn that is refreshing from this subforum full of kids who bash a game they dont play


trueee
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Aug 19 2023 07:38am
Quote (Henrik @ Aug 19 2023 01:36am)
Who's the bigger retard? The one that enjoys an arguably flawed game or the one that complains about shit he doesnt like on the internet?
Just move along you degenerated whiners, nobody keeps you here.


:hug:

They are everywhere… clogging up the discussion forum and all over other platforms. It’s the cool thing to do I guess :lol:
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Quote (Vileinfected @ 19 Aug 2023 01:11)
Honestly curious, the camera, the monetization, the gameplay, the bugs, the gold dupes, the terrible itemization. What is so damn good about this game that you had to spend 70$-100$ for this, then on top of that, you bought a seasonal pass? How fucking non frugal you are with your money, just wipe your ass with money, it's the same damn thing. Fuck D4, fuck it all the way up.


I would add horrible skill system, skill balance, and the last but not least the star of the show - spender/generator system.

This post was edited by Madmaxio on Aug 19 2023 08:03am
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Quote (bombersheep @ 19 Aug 2023 09:50)
Thumbs up for D4.
Game was not ready developed on release, but it's good and i'm having fun.

Anyone who hates on this game, go and waste your time one something else. You are not forced to play it so don't complain.


I feel bad for you.
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Aug 19 2023 08:02am
Quote (zeLL072 @ 19 Aug 2023 10:23)
thank you guys, so this forum isn't full of neckbeards who live in the past


It is common misconception - people like you just don't understand that those who critisize D4 - critisize D4. They doesn't bring up D2 or anything else as an argument.

The only argument is pretty simple - D4 is a bad game.
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Aug 19 2023 08:10am
Quote (Roneye @ 19 Aug 2023 01:26)
Feeding the troll I guess?

the camera.
This is just an adjustment from game to game. Feels natural after a couple of hours.

the monetization
70$ for the base game is all you need.
Anything else that has been monetized is skins. The battle pass is ONLY skins.
I don't give a shit about skins.

the gameplay
This is where the game excels. It has one of the best game engines in any ARPG. It very fluid and the overall pace is good.

the bugs
Any ARPG launches with bugs, that's about it. Not sure if you played either D2, D3 or PoE at launch?
I feel like they did miss a demo test

the gold dupes
Dupes has been a part of a lot of arpg. They are actively doing something about it and banning accounts.

the terrible itemization
Here I do agree with you. There's an imbalance in drop rate and item stats. Huge minus.

v1.1.2 is a solid 6/10 for me. Game could evolve into a 9/10 just below D2R if they go in the correct direction.

How much have you played the game yourself?


Troll? Camera - it is horrible, not matter how much time I play I'm constantly mad about camera and trying to zoom out.

itemization - can't look at it without tears, even you agree.

What do you mean by game engine? Yes, gameplay is fast, but this doesn't mean it is good. Player end up in two states - you nuke entire screens not matter how, or you get struggling with constant CCs and low mana/resource.

If by engine you mean graphics - it is still bad for me, I can't see character or monsters properly, the visual style still itself still sits close to D3. Characters are ugly, cut scenes are also ugly.

This post was edited by Madmaxio on Aug 19 2023 08:10am
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Aug 19 2023 08:25am
Dunno....most are prolly so indoctrinated into blizzard they can't see anything else. Sooooo many games released that show just how laughable this company and game are. Games a solid 4/10 cause the sound and cinematic team pull heavy

Blizzard showed their hand long ago and they continue to play it and I won't be apart of their failing company.
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Aug 19 2023 08:27am
Quote (Madmaxio @ Aug 19 2023 04:02pm)
It is common misconception - people like you just don't understand that those who critisize D4 - critisize D4. They doesn't bring up D2 or anything else as an argument.

The only argument is pretty simple - D4 is a bad game.


really? can you name a modern game that is as good as d2? (well, as good as u think d2 is)
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Aug 19 2023 08:41am
Quote (Zloocko91 @ 19 Aug 2023 14:52)
Game dead already d2r more users on sc nl like sc ladder also hc more users on jsp

Got rogue on level 100
Got druid and sors on lvl 90+

And now playing again d2r and make more fun

Game worth 100bucks definitly but end game is pretty booring :bouncy:


D2jsp is a very bad metrics of amount of players active in any other game than D2.
As much as I love and will continue to use d2jsp, it's really outdated for newer titles, where items are based on rares and not easily searchable unique names and runes.
And this is not to say jsp should or could change. No doubt njaguar would be able to modernize it so it could pull the item data from and IMG into an easier searchable and sortable system. But no doubt this could pull unnecessary attention to the site.

I got 103 battle.net friends. and at least 75% of them are people I've meet through D2R. out of 48 online, 2 people are playing D2R and 12 D4.

Quote (DarthLeader @ 19 Aug 2023 14:32)
I appreciate the wisdom of Roneye in our community :)


Quote (staragsj @ 19 Aug 2023 15:23)
a fair and honest opinion from someone who has played the game a lot.

damn that is refreshing from this subforum full of kids who bash a game they dont play


Quote (xCoLa @ 19 Aug 2023 15:24)
trueee


Glad you liked my take on it. but again it very subjective from person to person. But saying this game is literally unplayable is a stretch, maybe for that specific individual person. But from my understanding most people posting very harsh critic about the game, actually do not game anything themselves.
Rating systems are also very hard to subjectify. But for me it's more like:
10/10 - How the dafuq did you miss that game in your lifetime.
9/10 - A masterpiece in the genre. Would recommend it to friends even if they are not into the genre, because it may convert you.
8/10 - Very good game would recommend and play with friends
7/10 - You got to be into the genre, would buy for a mate to play it together.
6/10 - You really have to love the genre for it to be worth you while. I would not recommend to to friends if they are not actively playing it already.
5/10 - Should honestly not be worth you time.
4/10 - Game is to buggy or flawed to use your time on. Gotta be early release or with huge patches in sight.
1-3/10 - Game is straight up a scam.

D4 in my opinion went from 4/10 to 6/10.
all the base points are music, art and graphics, fluidity of gameplay, performance. + lower points from already in place meeh systems which are already present in the game.
+10% point When/if they do something about the late game at 80+ We are talking full fat sigil maps with exciting mechanics in each of them. How PoE has it at least back when I played it many moons ago. More uber version of bosses events.
+10% point Full overhaul of the UI/UX for PC. Huge and searchable stashes and way to easily storage things that shouldn't be in stash like maps, gems and aspects. I want a full fat easily to navigate menu, all features you desire and social aspects easily navigated.
+15% point Full overhaul. We need full loot filter both on ground and in inventory. We straight up need removable of some stats and new stats added to the items/game. Way more exiting crafting systems, maybe even a corrupt type of system. Things added like runes, sets and hugely altered unique items.
+5% point for skill/stat altering. I do kinda like what they got going with skills + paragon system. But kinda miss 1 more system added on top of that for the extra late game. 90+. Maybe some altering surrounding resource management in the game.

All these points should involve the key aspects of a good ARPG. I think we got around things like: QoL features, endgame, itemization, socials and Builds.
If done pretty more flawlessly the game would go from 6/10 to 8.5/10
The extra bit to reach the previously mentioned 9/10. Would be done in diverse less "important" systems like renown changes, pvp, early game questing etc.

We gotta remember ARPGs specially with emphasis on seasonal system, almost always launch in a barebones state and evolve from there.
That's not say everything will work as hoped. It can turn the game into a 3/10 in a matter of a single broken patch.

- Obviously English is not my native language. So things may come out wrong and/or be explained in a wrong tone or matter.

This post was edited by Roneye on Aug 19 2023 08:42am
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Quote (Henrik @ Aug 19 2023 04:36am)
Who's the bigger retard? The one that enjoys an arguably flawed game or the one that complains about shit he doesnt like on the internet?
Just move along you degenerated whiners, nobody keeps you here.


Who's the bigger retard, the one who complains about shit doesn't like, or the one who complains about the one who complains about shit he doesn't like?
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