Quote (Supericy @ 18 Mar 2023 13:49)
The thing with d2/d2r is that there is no end game, there is no incentive to min/max your character beyond a basic set of items that can MF. If I knew that keeping a ber rune would net me SOMETHING useful then instead of selling it I absolutely would absolutely keep it. So there is some balance to be had about between trading and incentivizing keeping items.
This is the problem with trade being accessible through a third party website that doesn't reset between seasons, or even as time goes on.
The value of that Ber rune devalues over time in the exchange rate between Ber and fg. And even the fg you receive for that Ber transcends through the season and in to the next one. So you are incentivized to trade it as quick as possible, because an hour from now, a day from now, it's going to be worth less. Instead of a system outside of jsp, where the value of a Ber is still a Ber which may or may not fluctuate between 5-6 Ohm runes. Which also basically becomes nothing once you are no longer playing or goes to NL which most people don't play.
If you're playing, and you have a Ber rune and Jsp didn't exist, you could absolutely find a trade partner. In fact there are trading websites that offer items / runes trade that don't need jsp currency at all. The problem is most people here have been programmed to believe that you need the fg because it transfers value between seasons, which effectively cheapens the game for many people. Even up to the first night playing, you can't find a sol rune for some reason, so you just hop on jsp and buy one for 50-100fg. Value not created by your initial push through normal that is coming from a past season.
So basically what I'm saying is that with jsp being so popular in the d2 trading scene, we effectively don't have true resets. Because almost every person that uses the site regularly has enough fg to gear a basic char to start being able to mf hell. Instead of actually having to find gear to gear themselves up.
I don't think it's terrible, it can be decently fun, we all enjoy the resets. But it certainly makes it massively easier to get started, because you don't have to find ANYTHING in order to have the capital to begin your journey. You could literally have paid for a rush, paid for a chaos level leech spot, and be sitting in act 5 hell naked having not killed a single monster, and spend a reasonable amount of fg and be geared on a sorc for end game mfing. Which inevitably leads many people in to the trap of, "okay, now i need to mf enough to make my fg back so I can do the same thing again next reset." as prices crash due to bots going nuts.
I understand how many of you guys feel, because I think there are many people here that don't actually play diablo 2. They think they do, but in reality they are playing a d2jsp mining program. You are killing stuff in a 23 year old game, mining for forum cheese. Which is a fundamentally different experience than playing d2.
This obviously isn't going to apply to everyone, of course. But I think a large majority of the people here do play the forum cheese rat race to some degree. I hear it on discord in our friend groups. "Oh nice I can sell this for X fg" after literally any type of find. And it's reflected in the attitude of those with a lot of fg, "I see only the people with low fg feel differently than I do" implying that they are somehow better than other people, even though I would argue the majority of high fg people are botting like crazy and don't actually play d2.
There will be ways to make fg in d4, so obviously there will be ways to spend it. But the CORE GAME will have to be you slaying monsters in order to acquire better gear. And I think that in itself is the best route.
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