That's interesting. So how do you estimate d4 current state of trading?

quitting a game is death by 1000 cuts. being unable to trade counts as like 100 of those 1000

So if you can’t sell some item you find for real money that’s a good reason to quit (or at least part of a reason to quit), and you’re using this as an argument for playing poe2, which will presumably heavily monitor this and seek to ban people who engage in this type of activity?

I’m excited for poe2 as well. Some of these arguments are just disingenuous though.

This post was edited by TeenyUncle8 on Dec 5 2024 07:27am

Well D4 implemented trade reluctantly and so beyond having a trade window, it doesn't actively support trade through their design. Trade is also limited.

Think about a rare item in diablo 2 or a rare item in PoE. Hell, you could even think of pre-craft items in Last Epoch. You can hit the right mods, but not the right tiers and those items will have value (increasing with the overall quality of the items). You also equally find items for off class (except Last Epoch), which boosts your overall drop values. D4's items in comparison have limited mods (4 vs 6 in other games), a lot of redundant mods, getting an item with the mods you want is objectively not too difficult so the need for trading doesn't really exist...

Trade is "there" in D4, but it's not good. Kinda like end game is "there" but it's not good or rewarding. D4 is just not well designed.



You understand both PoE and PoE2 ACTIVELY support trading. Heavy quality of life features, design around the economy and its value, etc. Just because they crack down on JSP trading doesn't mean it's not an economy based game first (and a huge reason for their longevity).

This post was edited by CMBurns on Dec 5 2024 07:47am

He’s arguing that he wants to RMT his gear. He brought up real money, not me. In game trading and selling items for real money are not the same. Thats why I keep asking.

I would agree D4’s in game trading system (or lack thereof sucks). I’d probably engage in trading some or more if a system is good. Where I’m skeptical of your argument is that d4 developers presumably have these same metrics that you argue you have. I don’t doubt trading is popular, maybe even widely popular. And while this sub loves to shit on d4 devs (some of it is fair), I’m skeptical d4 devs looked at said metrics and concluded “a game cannot have long term player retention or replayability without trading and the amount of the community who doesn’t care to engage in trading in is insignificantly small so let’s make a game tailored to that audience”. They’ve obviously softened their stance due to blow back. And again I don’t have said metrics, but it seems to me you might be slightly misrepresenting the how obvious these things are. But again, I don’t have this info, just my observations from a distance. But color me skeptical.

This post was edited by TeenyUncle8 on Dec 5 2024 08:04am

ive been trading in poe for 10 years. never had a problem. people who say HI IM FROM JSP HERES FORUM GOLD will get banned though

Fair enough. Making real money isn’t what drives my engagement in video games but if it’s what drives yours I can’t tell you your wrong.

i dont even count this site as RMT. you can make tons of FG with $0 put in. the value of using this site is the same reason people trade items for exalteds: its a liquid currency that can be used to buy items you need

I don’t view jsp as that either. I interpreted your comment about how your time has real money value now as also selling stuff for cash elsewhere. No worries. My misunderstanding.

what i mean by that is if you spend all season farming items and trading them for FG, youre able to store all that time value. whereas if you only trade for other items, all that time value is lost on the new season